Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 12:53:34 +0200 (CEST) From: Malte Lance <malte@webmore.com> To: Frank Pawlak <fpawlak@execpc.com> Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, Arne Woerner <arne.woerner@tu-clausthal.de>, spork <spork@super-g.com> Subject: Re: your mail Message-ID: <XFMail.980628125334.malte@webmore.com> In-Reply-To: <980627195213.ZM28058@darkstar.connect.com>
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Reading and thinking the discussion over, i realize the following: Mr Woerner just tried to help FreeBSD, Inc and the german mirror due to the legal situation in germany. I was projecting my whole disappointment regarding the telecommunication- regulation-amok in germany onto his person. That was wrong. Mr Woerner, please take my apologize for loading all the shit on you. I am really sorry for that. Malte. On 27-Jun-98 Frank Pawlak wrote: > On Jun 27, 3:12pm, spork wrote: >> Subject: Re: your mail >> Do the folks that oppose this stuff feel that it is someone else's >> responsibility to teach their children right from wrong? There are alot >> of things wrong with the world, but trying to "protect" children from all >> the wrongs rather than educating them seems backwards. > > I suspect that you are correct here. > >> >> All the time Mr. Woerner has spent sending these emails to this list would >> have been better spent on volunteering at a local youth outreach center I >> think. >> > > You probably should have another read of Greg Lehey's post regarding this > issue, and get off the poor guy's back. > > Frank > > >> Charles Sprickman >> spork@super-g.com >> ---- >> >> On Sat, 27 Jun 1998, Arne Woerner wrote: >> >> > i thought questions@freebsd.org is an email address where complaints about >> > http://www.de.freebsd.org/cgallery.html >> > can be sent to. >> > all links i annouced can be found on the freebsd pages! >> > i have annouced these links because some subscribers asked me to do this! >> > >> > on bill gates' page no one will ever find those references. >> > and bill gates' support engineers would not tell lies about people who >> > try to help! >> > >> > your web pages are very uncool! >> > >> > i do not want any emails from you. thank you! >> > >> > -woerner >> > >> > >From djv@lucy.bedford.net Sat Jun 27 13:23:11 1998 >> > >From: CyberPeasant <djv@lucy.bedford.net> >> > >Subject: Re: your mail from 1998-06-27 05:31:27 etc. pp. >> > >To: arne.woerner@tu-clausthal.de (Arne Woerner) >> > >Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 07:22:29 -0400 (EDT) >> > >MIME-Version: 1.0 >> > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> > > >> > >Arne Woerner wrote >> > >> i never sent any emails to your domain. >> > > >> > >Yes you did; I have archived several of them. They are undeniably >> > >from you. Since my porn filter caught them, you received warning >> > >messages. Child pornography is illegal in the United States. It >> > >is not a suitable subject for discussion on a technical questions >> > >mailing list with thousands of innocent subscribers. >> > > >> > >Please do not send any more material about child pornography to me >> > >or I shall certainly take action with responsible authorities. >> > > >> > >I AM ADVISING YOU NOW THAT I DO NOT WISH TO RECEIVE EMAIL FROM YOU >> > >ABOUT CHILD PORNOGRAPHY. I AM NOT GOING TO VISIT ANY WEBSITES THAT >> > >YOU SUGGEST, AND IF YOU PERSIST, I CAN AND WILL TAKE ACTION. >> > > >> > >*** ICH SAGE IHNEN, DASZ ICH K E I N KINDERPORN WUENSCHE. >> > >*** ICH WERDE DIES ANWEIS N I C H T WIEDERHOLEN. >> > > >> > >> please blame the maintainer of the mailing list for those mails. >> > >> no more mails from you to me, please! >> > >> >> > >> thank you. >> > >> >> > >> -woerner >> > >> >From listread@lucy.bedford.net Sat Jun 27 11:38:56 1998 >> > >> >Subject: Auto Response >> > >> >To: arne.woerner@tu-clausthal.de (Arne Woerner) >> > >> >Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 05:31:27 -0400 (EDT) >> > >> >X-no-archive: yes >> > >> >From: CyberPeasant <djv@bedford.net> >> > >> >MIME-Version: 1.0 >> > >> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >This is an automated response. >> > >> > >> > >> >Email sent to my address contained sufficient trigger-words to suggest >> > >> >that it contains child pornography or other undesirable and/or other >> > >> >illegal material. >> > >> > >> > >> >If such mails persist, legal action will be taken. >> > >> > >> > >> > -------------------TEXT OF OFFENDING > MAIL------------------------------------- >> > >> >> From djv Sat Jun 27 04:42:42 1998 >> > >> >> From: Arne Woerner <arne.woerner@tu-clausthal.de> >> > >> >> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 09:23:42 +0200 (MET DST) >> > >> >> Message-Id: <199806270723.JAA13694@azurix.rz.tu-clausthal.de> >> > >> >> To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG >> > >> >> Cc: arne.woerner@tu-clausthal.de >> > >> >> Subject: Re: http://www.de.freebsd.org/cgallery.html >> > >> >> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >> > >> >> X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> > >> > >> > >> >> i found a third possibly child-endangering reference: >> > >> >> <LI><A > HREF="http://www.persiankitty.com"><STRONG>WWW.PersianKitty.COM >> > >> >> </STRONG></A> -- Adult Links web site</LI> >> > >> >> suspicious words: >> > >> >> Adult Links >> > >> >> >> > >> >> thank you for your cooperation. >> > >> >> >> > >> >> -woerner >> > >> >> >> > >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> > >> >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > >-- >> > > The freedom to decide who you are and what you drink. >> > > There's nothing more American than that. >> > > So, be free. Drink RC. >> > > >> > >From listread@lucy.bedford.net Sat Jun 27 13:08:24 1998 >> > >Subject: Auto Response >> > >To: arne.woerner@tu-clausthal.de (Arne Woerner) >> > >Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 07:07:46 -0400 (EDT) >> > >X-no-archive: yes >> > >From: CyberPeasant <djv@bedford.net> >> > >MIME-Version: 1.0 >> > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> > > >> > >Arne Woerner wrote: >> > >> From djv Sat Jun 27 05:23:43 1998 >> > >> From: Arne Woerner <arne.woerner@tu-clausthal.de> >> > >> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 10:12:36 +0200 (MET DST) >> > >> Message-Id: <199806270812.KAA13762@azurix.rz.tu-clausthal.de> >> > >> To: julian@whistle.com, questions@FreeBSD.ORG >> > >> Cc: arne.woerner@tu-clausthal.de >> > >> Subject: Re: http://www.de.freebsd.org/cgallery.html >> > >> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >> > >> X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> > > >> > >> i sent my complaint to the Nacamar Corp. which is responsible for the > host >> > >> www.de.freebsd.org . >> > >> >> > >> i have nothing to do with this case anymore. so do not send any email >> > >> to > me. >> > >> >> > >> -woerner >> > >> >> > >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> > >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > >-- >> > >http://www.microsoft.com/security: `Microsoft Windows NT Server is the > most >> > > secure network operating system available.' >> > >Don Quixote: `You are mistaken, Sancho.' >> > > >> > >From listread@lucy.bedford.net Sat Jun 27 13:08:27 1998 >> > >Subject: Auto Response >> > >To: arne.woerner@tu-clausthal.de (Arne Woerner) >> > >Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 07:04:46 -0400 (EDT) >> > >X-no-archive: yes >> > >From: CyberPeasant <djv@bedford.net> >> > >MIME-Version: 1.0 >> > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> > > >> > > >> > >This is an automated response. >> > > >> > >Email sent to my address contained sufficient trigger-words to suggest >> > >that it contains child pornography or other undesirable and/or other >> > >illegal material. >> > > >> > >If such mails persist, legal action will be taken. >> > > >> > > -------------------TEXT OF OFFENDING > MAIL------------------------------------- >> > >> From djv Sat Jun 27 06:03:43 1998 >> > >> From: Arne Woerner <arne.woerner@tu-clausthal.de> >> > >> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 11:10:56 +0200 (MET DST) >> > >> Message-Id: <199806270910.LAA13980@azurix.rz.tu-clausthal.de> >> > >> To: grog@lemis.com, questions@FreeBSD.ORG, webmaster@freebsd.de, >> > >> wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de >> > >> Cc: arne.woerner@tu-clausthal.de >> > >> Subject: Re: http://www.de.freebsd.org/cgallery.html >> > >> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >> > >> X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> > > >> > >> >From grog@freebie.lemis.com Sat Jun 27 10:53:50 1998 >> > >> >Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 18:23:32 +0930 >> > >> >From: Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com> >> > >> >To: Arne Woerner <arne.woerner@tu-clausthal.de>, questions@freebsd.org >> > >> >Subject: Re: http://www.de.freebsd.org/cgallery.html >> > >> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >> > >> >WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog >> > >> >Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 >> > >> >Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 >> > >> >Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 >> > >> > >> > >> >On Saturday, 27 June 1998 at 9:22:36 +0200, Arne Woerner wrote: >> > >> >> thank you for your funny excuses. >> > >> > >> > >> >Is this intended to be a reply to my previous message? If so, you >> > >> >should say so. It's also common practice to quote previous >> > >> >correspondence and reply to the person who wrote the message as well >> > >> >as the list. See http://www.lemis.com/email.html for more details. >> > >> hmm! >> > >> > >> > >> >> its necessary to check _all_ links. >> > >> > >> > >> >OK. When you've done it, tell us about it. >> > >> i do not offer those pages. so i am not responsible for them. so i will >> > >> not check all links. >> > >> > >> > >> >> the link i found suspicious is >> > >> >> <LI><A HREF="http://www.freexxxvideo.com">; >> > >> >> <STRONG>All Free XXX Videos</STRONG> >> > >> >> </A> -- Adult Entertainment - More than 100 free streaming > video clips. >> > >> >> </LI> >> > >> >> suspicous are the following strings: >> > >> >> XXX >> > >> >> Adult Entertainment >> > >> >> Videos >> > >> > >> > >> >Well, they're probably not in the best of taste, but I'd suspect that >> > >> >the Webmaster could also have discerned the nature of the link when he >> > >> >added it. >> > >> you allow untrusted persons to add things to your webpages??? >> > >> > >> > >> >In your first message you say: >> > >> > >> > >> >> with high pssibility you have a link to a website which offers >> > >> >> child-endangering material on your webpage >> > >> >> http://www.de.freebsd.org/cgallery.html . >> > >> > >> > >> >You mention *one* link. You say "child-endangering". Please explain. >> > >> yes! 'a link' means 'at least one link'. i am sure that there exists a >> > >> valid law which protects children from watching pictures of naked > persons. >> > >> > >> > >> >> i think the reference is away in 24 hours? >> > >> > >> > >> >Well, do you or don't you? You'll have to ask yourself that >> > >> >question. I don't expect they'll go that fast. >> > >> i dont know. it is not my case anymore. i do not want to discuss this > case >> > >> anymore. >> > >> > >> > >> >From a legal standpoint, I believe these sites are legal. There is no >> > >> >bestiality, there is no underage sex. If you still want to get it >> > >> >changed, I'd suggest you contact the Webmaster rather than the >> > >> >technical questions list. He's Wolfram Schneider >> > >> ><wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de>, as you could have found with a more >> > >> >perfunctory search of the web pages than you appear to have performed. >> > >> beatiality and underage sex would be even worse than child-endangering. >> > >> i do not know the contents of those sites. i said that there is a high >> > >> possibility that those contents are child-endangering. sorry for my bad >> > >> english but its not my native language. >> > >> at the bottom of the page i saw the email address >> > >> questions@freebsd.org >> > >> and i thought this would be the address for mails regarding that page. >> > >> > >> > >> >Greg >> > >> >-- >> > >> >See complete headers for address and phone numbers >> > >> >finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> > >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message >> > >> >> > > >> > >> > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message >> > >> >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message >>-- End of excerpt from spork > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Malte Lance <malte@webmore.com> Date: 28-Jun-98 Time: 12:10:28 ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
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