From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Tue Oct 20 09:41:14 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80370A1AB3F for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 09:41:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yonas@fizk.net) Received: from mail-qg0-x232.google.com (mail-qg0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c04::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3BABE18DD for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 09:41:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yonas@fizk.net) Received: by qgbb65 with SMTP id b65so9468173qgb.2 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 02:41:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fizk.net; s=google; h=subject:to:references:from:cc:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type; bh=pHZ4+s84Cqps1qAbfFT4GVloDvf63Z30vIRlyHrtdhs=; b=kyKhpORs5gxRopnL/R79fcdSwCpD531r3fb0KH7zH/CcXhkp6wbCMnEitSQzavRdIU BBkhgOmH/MqluPs4rmPilKUYOwypow6l5XDEw2m37jSfjuylb0pufp2OTIhwIbdBv/V5 Muid95zaLgyDw+vqDE5BKvJxURsjeVtRVwkxw= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:cc:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type; bh=pHZ4+s84Cqps1qAbfFT4GVloDvf63Z30vIRlyHrtdhs=; b=QNZUUslCiO7D4iB8QKkfIZDT5EzQMLMst+/u+9OtchJ4kdJXpuCGCJ5zcMpeIdvPzH vQXV+TmQBwNJbaz3G2PdAFZnH73zhagszjOXBtXfUo08iabiHbIbi99P9RRZdk0uHFeI QldiXWhdVEMKiZHZ0trcuFQJyE30LMJ87PsbrG/jGXs10E9/nMay49Ogda0JywUKge7p KssYVlJDSDpfM5c3wBDpSedqkegNDZEbQ7Dhty87tO+8XJkXlCZdcoPSQuZwsEaPcuff lrgbgToAZPWX6V0N/nFM01/BhqPP9MWLifEbEcXy07v23m2W86k8aXu+0p6ya3tymOSE ceNw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmY2TfqF+tTw8dGwGCy5YwBM5mEOym8IABEDVbpEQX9QUywB3MNUDbFkLK195el2/sNdMOx X-Received: by 10.140.32.200 with SMTP id h66mr1407221qgh.99.1445319716577; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 22:41:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.200] (CPEbc4dfb965b33-CMbc4dfb965b30.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com. [99.236.139.136]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 105sm616533qgl.13.2015.10.19.22.41.55 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 19 Oct 2015 22:41:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Depreciate and remove gbde To: Poul-Henning Kamp References: <56237623.5010702@fizk.net> <20151019234406.GA88752@cons.org> <95431.1445318836@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Yonas Yanfa Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Message-ID: <5625D422.4040402@fizk.net> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 01:41:54 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <95431.1445318836@critter.freebsd.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 09:41:14 -0000 On 10/20/2015 01:27, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > -------- > In message , NGie Cooper writes: > >> 1. Why are there 2 competing technologies? > They are not competing, they support two very different threat models. We need to make this a lot more clear in the Handbook. John-Mark is taking the charge here. >> 3. Is there a gain/loss for removing gbde? > Yes, you alienate a lot of users who very often are not even in a > position to tell you they run FreeBSD. > > Think human rights activists for instance. Couldn't they use a fake email address and Tor to communicate anonymously? I'd be surprised if they aren't already. As I said to Martin, this point keeps coming up as though its grounds alone to leave gdbe in the tree forever. gdbe should stand on its technical merits. After reading your paper on gdbe, I understand those merits a lot better, but we should improve the Handbook so gdbe vs. geli strengths and weaknesses are better explained. > >> 4. Why is it marked experimental [still]? > To make people think. > What it made me think was - "this software has been here for so many years and is still experimental and suspect??? It must have issues. Why is it still in the tree?" Yonas -- Yonas Yanfa In Love With Open Source Drupal :: GitHub :: Mozilla :: iPhone fizk.net | yonas@fizk.net