From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Mon Dec 12 13:57:35 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42681C72113 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 13:57:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BD7D1E50 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 13:57:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 18693C72110; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 13:57:35 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16648C7210F for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 13:57:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wj0-x242.google.com (mail-wj0-x242.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c01::242]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 91D901E4F for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 13:57:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-wj0-x242.google.com with SMTP id j10so11735576wjb.3 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 05:57:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=cIAdrtReLcU2wKlaUSEZG2y1TaNXCut1dvWmAbM3p2M=; b=XWXkhrL4v2j9rn2S/ApBdPNu3AVElKGdJ3hqbqHPZVIwWhutGIj/nHX7AHRbFnMWov XfjtrMRDXifYOLAM3AOJlBRZH6+fT5xrl6Uk4Y4J+ov7dphS9FZHSUvrYkr31O77oUuc wS9b87QYRrOg0gqPjPCdJtN0eTo5Mti91jkuvGn+8EZAlnf5jZIvCgjbDKWo98qh1Urr hSCElMCfbWKmBFRZPH32X5rTHLWh0gDcbPcoMjhYm6sK3nGmIexL6HOz4LkHCV8KSrA/ AbdqJnTj4iYRW+rNx79ffWnwyjbWdIL5frd1gfJIjma1AT3Ok7AhNTv6QuVhbkoSj4QK gMCw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=cIAdrtReLcU2wKlaUSEZG2y1TaNXCut1dvWmAbM3p2M=; b=WrJnB5UFsCvvXnkCnC5NZwBDTgLiHyJPmguISbBgGBOUYiIJeEd9sl9pLQTyU/Xbfz 5pk7lhbtfUNhu3QIw6jDAb53N4dkA2STpmSjsXVfJSRiKM1oDMsWSHKnpyONmMVZkT3Z PEuMuHazs/Gp433rE61ErVGaowITBaJVJ8b1ClN8F8IsttXXluACTLwpC5LSl4RPu6aw 4iray0k+MFAVFiIhcy7HXIMo5mjpQHxhrp+4LX8uXivWrejvWD9jSq7G6BiTUL3wAhrR vN2A3pf3PreYX293JnNnSwpG5Qve5zOptqv9JLScWxAAOxlAai57R1TSKqz9z3C/7Mza EWcQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AKaTC01hK8loSdU6XdH628VYMobHXkyctvY9XnheA9R+ewRRqPjdWu2Ku9OR0dVYKVe1Tg== X-Received: by 10.194.47.42 with SMTP id a10mr79937781wjn.216.1481551051731; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 05:57:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com ([81.17.24.158]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id di9sm57309345wjc.37.2016.12.12.05.57.30 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Mon, 12 Dec 2016 05:57:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 13:57:27 +0000 From: RW To: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The ports collection has some serious issues Message-ID: <20161212135727.1c809063@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20161208085926.GC2691@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.1 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.3) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 13:57:35 -0000 On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 19:42:07 -0700 Janky Jay, III wrote: > Hello scratch, > > On 12/11/2016 03:35 PM, scratch65535@att.net wrote: > > I have to admit that I avoid ports if at all possible because > > I've hardly ever been able to do a build that ran to completion. > > There's always some piece of code that's missing and can't be > > found, or is the wrong version, et lengthy cetera. I've never > > done release engineering, but I honestly can't imagine how some > > of the stuff that makes its way into the ports tree ever got past > > QA. It would get someone sacked if it happened in industry. > > > > If the dev schedule would SLOW DOWN and the commitment switched > > to quality from the current emphasis on frequency, with separate > > trees for alpha-, beta-, and real release-quality, fully-vetted > > code, the ports system might become usable again. > > This very, VERY rarely happens to me and I use ports *ONLY* in > production environments. I have a desktop with a lot of server ports installed on it and find that the build problems I have are overwhelmingly desktop related. Even on the desktop I don't find it to be more than an irritation.