Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:23:36 +0200 From: "yvan" <niooi@cybercable.fr> To: <freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Religion: islam is not what you think... Look at yourself first. Message-ID: <002301c15bb5$281a6070$b227c6d4@C> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010924170815.0180aee8@threespace.com> <20010925001027.A750@lpt.ens.fr> <4.3.2.7.2.20011003210717.0442cb20@localhost> <20011004132949.D16297@lpt.ens.fr> <20011019154414.A43110@moondog.org> <3BD1CCC8.6923E04F@mindspring.com>
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Hi, Speaking of religion, if Judeo-Christianism is the 'good' vs evil religion Islam: How could US good Christians colonized and exterminated American Indians. How come they used Blacks as slaves and discriminated them as low as 'for black and dogs here' until 1960's! Mussolini, Franco and Hitler were Christians. Sharon with its responsibilities for killing thousands of Palestinians since the 70's is Jewish. How could the American Army made a large scale radiation test on the black community in 50's knowing they were so poor they would accept! How could the US dropped 2 nuclear bombs on CIVILIANS and put the American-Japanese Californian community into concentration-camps during the war?! Back in the days when Saddam Hussein was the US friend because he was killing millions of Iranians and even using chemical warfare against civilians, did US and occidental countries did anything to prevent this massacre? No they did not. But when Saddam Hussein sends 10 Scuds on Israel all the media make you believe that there is a great risk of a chemical warfare which never happened!? Israel's potential threats are far more important than millions of Iranian lives. Why did US perpetrate many coups killing thousands in South-America against democratically elected presidents because they were Socialists?! If it is a 'free' country how come they have 'black-listed' Hollywood directors, actors and authors that were known to be communist!? What about the war crimes and atrocities committed against Filipino by US Army in 1899!? What about Vietnam?! What about the unconditional support to Israel, a country made of extremists colonizers thinking Palestine is their country because the bible say so (If you agree give US back to Indians it is 300 years old only)!? Why do US support Arab Gulf Monarchies if you care about democracy and women's right?! Why is US bombing Iraq (still nowadays) and not Israel because of fuzzy UN resolutions when Israel has 2 extremely important resolutions pending against them by the UN since the 60's (where is justice in all of that!)?! Why are their still discriminations and police brutalities against the black community?! Why more than 3 millions people are into jails if you live in a perfect world?! Why death penalty and why it is live on TV like Timothy McVeil (even the Taliban are not that advanced on this topic)!? Why does some good Americans Christians kill abortion practitioners? Why the good American Christian president does gets his dick sucked in his office and then lies to the whole population and to his wife?! Why are they some many rapes in the US for a country that care some much about human and women rights (Somewhere in America, a woman is raped every 2 minutes, according to the U.S. Department of Justice. <And> Between 1995 and 1996, more than 670,000 women were the victim of rape, attempted rape or sexual assault. [National Crime Victimization Survey. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Department of Justice, 1997.])!? The list could go on and on. What surprises me is to see how 'good' Americans think they are when they do not realize what their government has been doing for so long, a foreign policy aimed for profit and interest vs a foreign policy of heart and sensibility. All I want to say is open you eyes first on yourself before criticizing Islam or any countries and/or religion in the world through what you see on TV or what your government tells you what is good or bad. I consider US an ally and a friend but I think US gov should stop manipulating public opinions by making people believe they are 'there' for the sake of humanity when it is totally false. Islam is a very tolerant religion. Most of the Muslims I know are by far less inclined to clichés and violence as most Americans. Most westerners (like me) are victims of an americano-sionist propaganda that has demonized Islam to better manipulate their public opinion which seems to be working fairly well in a world of appearances and a need for instantaneity. Most Arabs countries and their people are very distant from a hardcore Islamic dogma. Back in the 60's Egypt was lead by a Socialist leader called Nasser. Egypt and many other Arab countries were enjoying certain emancipation with prolific and excellent artists. Nasser called for the union of most Arab countries with the support of the Soviet-Union. This has scared both Israel and United-States that have decided to destabilize Nasser and most Arab countries by supporting/backing-up financially and strategically all Arab countries oppositions. And guess what? Who do you think was the main opposition? It was the Islamic fundamentalists like the well-know 'Islamic brothers' of Egypt. Since that time, many Arab countries have experienced with an increase in fundamentalism that they have never experienced before. And what happened next is history. To make a long story short, there is a big part a responsibility in what the US did to support fundamentalism and destabilize Arab countries. Maybe, US were not sure of the outcome but as long as their own interests are not a stake they do not care. Back in the 80's, you can find some similarities with Taliban's and Moudjahidins in Afghanistan. Then, the US was very happy to have courageous fighters fighting against the Soviet in the name of god. At that time, US did not care (as usual) about democracy and women's right when they were supporting Taliban's and other Arabs extremists groups that found in Afghanistan a new holy territory to expand their extremisms (Ben-Laden is one of them). Yvan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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