From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jul 5 3:30:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A05337B400 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 03:30:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (storm.FreeBSD.org.uk [194.242.139.170]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F4AA43E31 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 03:30:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@grimreaper.grondar.org) Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (uucp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g65AUoCE066146; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 11:30:50 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark@grimreaper.grondar.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) with UUCP id g65AUoPA066145; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 11:30:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from grimreaper.grondar.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grimreaper.grondar.org (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g65ATUii003713; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 11:29:30 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark@grimreaper.grondar.org) Message-Id: <200207051029.g65ATUii003713@grimreaper.grondar.org> To: Paul Richards Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Removing perl in make world References: <1025862341.1573.40.camel@lobster.originative.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1025862341.1573.40.camel@lobster.originative.co.uk> ; from Paul Richards "05 Jul 2002 10:45:41 BST." Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 11:29:30 +0100 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I think we should add a target to make world that checks for the > existence of an old base install of Perl and removes it if it exists. I agree that we may need a tool to do this, but I don't agree that it gets done automatically by "make world". > As a general principle, if we do things like remove code during -current > development then make world needs to cater for that change. The idea of > make world is that what you get at the end of it is a pristine install > of a snapshot of FreeBSD from the current branch. I disagree. This is force-feeding the user base too much. > The bootstrap target was originally added for this purpose, to deal with > issues during releases i.e. to bootstrap from one version of current to > another. It's got misunderstood along the way to mean bootstrapping > tools needed early in the build process. > > I'd like to resurrect it's original meaning and add code to clean out > old versions of Perl. Lots of things get deleted from current as time goes by; headers, libraries, applets, etc. It is the responsibility of the CURRENT builder/user to remove them as she sees fit. Our resposibility as developers goes no further than to help provide removal tools/techniques (I use "find ${DIR} -type f -ctime +1 -delete -print"), and guidance. Of course, there are counterprecedents (libtelnet is one), but these are the exception, and are unlikely to trample all over a user's carefully crafted installation. M -- o Mark Murray \_ O.\_ Warning: this .sig is umop ap!sdn To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message