From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 17 18:13:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA21488 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 18:13:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from argus (pm3-p7.tfs.net [206.154.183.199]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA21478 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 18:13:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jbryant@localhost) by argus (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA16930; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 20:13:14 -0500 From: Jim Bryant Message-Id: <199704180113.UAA16930@argus> Subject: Re: On Holy Wars, and a Plea for Peace [sorry Danny, wherever you are, but the title fits]... To: durham@w2xo.pgh.pa.us (Jim Durham) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 20:13:13 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Reply-To: jbryant@tfs.net In-Reply-To: <3356C58E.41C67EA6@w2xo.pgh.pa.us> from "Jim Durham" at Apr 17, 97 08:51:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply: > > I don't know where you live, but they can be found at both Fry's and > > "Weird Stuff" - two popular Bay Area computer outlets. Fry's, > (snip) > > I've also seen copies at Cody's bookstore in Berkeley, a popular > > hangout for CS types. More linux stuff, naturally, but they at least > > had FreeBSD in the retail box in their OS section. I believe you can > > also find them at Computer Literacy, though I haven't checked recently. > > A large bookseller in the Midwest is Barnes and Noble. They are > trendy (coffeeshop, live musicians and all that). There are probably > 9-10 of the huge shelf units full of Bill's stuff (M$) and one full > of Linux stuff. There is a shelf unit devoted to misc operating systems. > It had one book on BSD, no mention of FreeBSD at all. Most of it was > Apple and Mac stuff. There was actually more Linux than Mac in the > store. about the same in Dallas/Ft. Worth [a bit more on the misc side, but still no BSD], and here in the Kansas City area the stores actually think linux IS unix... i did hear of a single cd-rom store in dallas [richardson?] that at one time had FreeBSD, but that store was a bit out of the way... not bad for two metropolitan areas with a combined population of 15-20 million people, one store carrying FreeBSD, and it was so far out of the way that i didn't go there... apparently KU has a real big linux community, so does UMKC... that's just my personal experience... > Where I work (mobile video production company), we hired some bozos > to put in a network a year and a half ago (NT with 95 workstations > replacing > a Novell/DOS network, *still* not working properly). There are two of us > in engineering that suggested Unix instead. We were hooted down with "Oh > No, > it's full of security holes!" and "Nobody can understand it!" and "It > won't run Windows!". It's amazing what the perception of Unix is outside > CS circles. > I've even been told "Don't admit you use Unix, it will look bad for > you!" all of those subliminals bill puts in winblowz must be working... > The two major universities here, Pitt and CMU are running a lot of Linux > in > the CS departments, but in the offices they're using M$. There's no > FreeBSD > in academia here that I'm aware of. A few CDs to both of these CS > departments > would be worthwhile, I think. Same goes for Kansas and Missouri, as well as UT [Arlington, and Dallas]... that's a shame about CMU... especially with the CMU connections to 4.4BSD... jim -- All opinions expressed are mine, if you | "I will not be pushed, stamped, think otherwise, then go jump into turbid | briefed, debriefed, indexed, or radioactive waters and yell WAHOO !!! | numbered!" - #1, "The Prisoner" jbryant@tfs.net - KC5VDJ 2M, 70cm, KPC-3+ - kc5vdj@wv0t.#neks.ks.usa.noam