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Date:      Sun, 11 Aug 2002 20:38:34 +0200
From:      Brad Knowles <brad.knowles@skynet.be>
To:        <noackjr@rice.edu>, <freebsd-chat@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: why?
Message-ID:  <a05111b03b97c59def0b5@[10.0.1.60]>
In-Reply-To: <000801c24112$7f3769f0$0a01a8c0@COMPGEEK>
References:  <000801c24112$7f3769f0$0a01a8c0@COMPGEEK>

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At 3:38 AM -0500 2002/08/11, Jon Noack wrote:

>  why does it post immediately and reliably from one account when it takes
>  forever to post the other (and then only about half the time)?

	It all depends on the server and the route that the message is 
taking.  Then your come-back copy depends on the return path.

>                                                                  both
>  emails are sent through the same client and the same smtp server.  i
>  wish i didn't have to use Microsoft for work -- i think this is another
>  of bill's tricks...

	Let's look at the headers of the first message, specifically at 
the date/time stamps:

| Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.18]) by
|     mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F7205572F;
|     Sun, 11 Aug 2002 01:23:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from
|     owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG)

	Okay, the message was submitted at 03:16:27 -0500, and here it's 
already been received by the FreeBSD machines, passed through the 
mailing list server, and on it's way back out within six-and-a-half 
minutes.  That is, assuming that all servers are in perfect time 
sync.  If they're not, the overall end-to-end time could easily be 
just a matter of a few seconds.

| Received: from patriarch.dnsalias.org
|   (adsl-65-69-3-83.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net [65.69.3.83])
|   by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9A2343E75
|   for <freebsd-chat@freebsd.org>; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 01:22:59 -0700 (PDT)
|   (envelope-from noackjr@rice.edu)

	This would seem to be the place where most of the delay occurred. 
However, it would be difficult to determine what caused the delay. 
It could be a problem with the sending system, or it could be a 
problem with the receiving system.  But without more information 
(including the logs of both the sending & receiving systems), it's 
hard to tell what was the real cause.

| Received: from COMPGEEK ([127.0.0.1]) by patriarch.dnsalias.org with
|     Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.2600.1); Sun, 11 Aug 2002 03:16:27 -0500

	And that's the original submission.


	Now, let's look at the headers of the second message:

| Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.18]) by
| 	mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F83A55B10; Sun, 11 Aug
| 	2002 01:32:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from
| 	owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG)

	Well, this message was received, processed, and re-transmitted in 
just five seconds, if you believe the time stamps.

| Received: from COMPGEEK ([127.0.0.1]) by patriarch.dnsalias.org with
| 	Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.2600.1); Sun, 11 Aug 2002 03:32:49 -0500

	Here's the original message submission.


	Looking at the other headers (which I omitted), it would appear 
that the paths are pretty much identical between the two messages.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles@skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

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