From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 12 19:53:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9326216A400; Sat, 12 May 2007 19:53:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [209.31.154.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 694DD13C447; Sat, 12 May 2007 19:53:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [209.31.154.41]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9FE046C17; Sat, 12 May 2007 15:53:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 20:53:05 +0100 (BST) From: Robert Watson X-X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Kian Mohageri In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070512205110.U24765@fledge.watson.org> References: <464464BB.3090100@freebsd.org> <20070511152646.g6n5r7k2tcw00ow4@webmail.leidinger.net> <464476D3.3090001@freebsd.org> <4645173A.2040008@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [PATCH] Fancy rc startup (revisited) X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 19:53:06 -0000 On Sat, 12 May 2007, Kian Mohageri wrote: > On 5/11/07, Eric Anderson wrote: > >> Amazing - so far the patch has been downloaded by over 40 different >> systems, but the *screenshots* have been viewed by over 500. Wow. I never >> would have guessed. >> >> Still no complaints/comments/etc. Good I suppose.. > > I don't mean to be the Debbie Downer of the list, but I'm not crazy about > the addition just because I like simplicity. I know it's off by default and > all, but it reminds me a whole lot of linux startup (Gentoo, specifically, > but I dont > > remember where this originated) and I'm more fond of FBSD's as it looks more > > professional. > > Obviously that's just my 2cents though and I'm not a developer, so you won't > see me complain if it does get committed :) Just thought I'd comment since > you were looking for feedback. Call me old-fashioned, but I actually preferred the much more abbreviated rc output from before rc.d even. :-) We're not going back to hardware devices where all the probed devices add up to fewer than 25 lines, I'm sure, but when daemons generated 8-12 characters without a carriage return each, there was a good chance you could still see the end of the kernel messages by the time you got to login:, and I miss that. I don't object to optional more complex output as long as that complexity is hidden away neatly somewhere in rc.subr, and isn't on by default as shipped. I'd love it if someone could restore the even shorter output we had before. Robert N M Watson Computer Laboratory University of Cambridge