From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 7 09:04:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA27266 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:04:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA27248 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:04:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA21750; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:04:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA18835; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:04:10 -0600 Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:04:10 -0600 Message-Id: <199808071604.KAA18835@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Terry Lambert Cc: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams), chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up on LFS In-Reply-To: <199808070754.AAA24074@usr08.primenet.com> References: <199808070446.WAA16195@mt.sri.com> <199808070754.AAA24074@usr08.primenet.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ Moved to -chat ] > > On the palm pilot, you couldn't allocate 1M of stuff in that short of > > time. :) > > > > (The stuff I'm allocating is about 500-1MB/object, so your point is > > truly moot. Especially considering the footprint of my entire program > > is around 60-70MB.) > > > > Don't ask like an expert on something you have no idea on. > > You shouldn't either How much real Java programming have you done? You have *no* clue what the GC in Java is like. Do you even own a pilot? Have you even attempted to run a Java VM on it? Do you like making up problems that don't exist, so that you can look smart? Do you like changing the subject in the middle of the discussion to try and be right? Never in your statement was there a mention of a palm pilot. The statement was: > JAVA has a nasty tendency to leak like a sieve until the GC hits a > steady state. As does Modula 3. This is catagorically wrong, and shows your ignorance of both Java and GC techniques in both languages. My statement based on 2 years experience with Java is that this is not an issue at all, and the most *worst case* I've even seen in Java is about 2 * 500K-1MB objects not being GC'd in about 1 second on a heavily loaded (~100% CPU) bound machine. This is not 'leaking live a sieve', as you so ignorantly put. Finally, I have *also* seen Java run on the Pilot. I'll say it again that it isn't real (yet). Maybe in time, but not yet. The screen/GUI interface is one of the limiting factors. You were wrong, and even more so changed the subject in mid-stream and still were wrong. You have yet to admit wrongness in any discussion, but its fun to watch you dance around trying to be right in the process as you change the subject and the entire focus of the discussion. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message