From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 12 09:17:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA14163 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:17:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.itribe.net (gatekeeper.itribe.net [209.49.144.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA14150 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:16:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709121611.MAA18193@gatekeeper.itribe.net> Received: forwarded by SMTP 1.5.2. Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:19:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Jamie Bowden To: Aled Morris cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ATTN Emacs users; new Zile release In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 12 Sep 1997, Aled Morris wrote: > On Fri, 12 Sep 1997, Jamie Bowden wrote: > > > Does anyone here actually get the point that a newbie can't use emacs > > anymore than they can use vi? I hate ee as much as the rest of you, but > > it's small, and it tells the newbie which keys do what, which vi and emacs > > don't do. > > I get the point entirely - my point is that ee is OK for newbies, > especially with those features you describe, but it doesn't have to > reinvent keymapping! Emacs "C-e" for EOL, "C-a" for BOL are just fine. > Ee even supports these mappings, BUT my complaint is that the bogus ones are > the default. > > Aled And my point is: Hoe the hell is a newbie supposed to know emacs key bindings? They are documented internally in emacs, assuming you know that M- means meta, and that meta is , etc. I don't like ee, I use vi almost exclusively, with some emacs for large jobs with multiple files, but I wouldn't expect a new user to know how to use either of them. Jamie Bowden System Administrator, iTRiBE.net Abusenet: The Misinformation Superhighway