From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 13 18:56:56 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFDA116A4CE; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:56:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13D3243D55; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:56:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.12.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id i0E2unHV053597; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 04:56:49 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from localhost (narvi@localhost)i0E2umoG053594; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 04:56:48 +0200 (EET) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 04:56:48 +0200 (EET) From: Narvi To: Harald Schmalzbauer In-Reply-To: <200401140317.46071@harrymail> Message-ID: <20040114044747.U32387-100000@haldjas.folklore.ee> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: Peter Schultz cc: Robert Watson cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bikeshed Reports [was: Status reports - why not regularly?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 02:56:57 -0000 On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, Harald Schmalzbauer wrote: > On Wednesday 14 January 2004 03:06, Robert Watson wrote: > > On Tue, 13 Jan 2004, Peter Schultz wrote: > > > Over 2003 I inadvertently started around four bikesheds. Every time it > > > happened I wanted to document it so that the beating of dead horses > > > could be kept to a minimum. It would basically list items of great > > > contention or things that just plain need a good hacker's attention. > > > > > > Hindsight is 20/20, but I think a resource like this would have > > > prevented me from pushing people's buttons. It's not all that easy to > > > harvest bikeshed discussions from the mailing lists, and a lot of them > > > have to do with issues that end users are interested in. I adore > > > FreeBSD volunteers and don't like to see them bothered with what color > > > to paint a bikeshed. > > > > > > I can dig up something on this if it's of interest to people. > > > > I'd be happy to help set up a www.freebsd.org/project/bikeshed web page to > > hold the hard-earned results of your research. Although perhaps they > > actually belong in the FAQ :-). > > This sounds great! And I hav an idea about the very first pragraph: What the > hack is bikeshed? > From the context I guess it's something like braindamaged circumstance/idea. > No. its more like a simple thing on which everybody has deeply ingrained ideas for the best way that they cannot see go otherwise and hence a long and essentially fruitless discussion unfolds. > But no dictionary has helped me so far. It also looks to be FreeBSD specific, > isn't it? > Not at all. It's from "Parkinson's Laws", a book on corporations, management and why the wrong people tend to end up there from time to time (or slightly more often than that). > Thank you, > > -Harry >