From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 4 06:27:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8198216A4E7 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 06:27:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kip.macy@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.198]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEDE743D58 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 06:27:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kip.macy@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 34so596611nzf for ; Mon, 03 Jul 2006 23:27:42 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XH1orRbElRgZCpvUcKGzugJHzv7EuYqRalYswr5SColQuEMcGPH8oCMc3x947kyeMufXiv9SahXsY1Swec5W6woy6zRK9qBoXMo7rMsI6jm2sMT1JbXjjBK/XIfRuII8xHNEegYDTML8so1dgvtEJh6rmYW46JMTsY16/y/7kyE= Received: by 10.65.218.8 with SMTP id v8mr3850887qbq; Mon, 03 Jul 2006 23:27:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.225.9 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 23:27:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 23:27:42 -0700 From: "Kip Macy" To: "Robert Watson" In-Reply-To: <20060703103420.B26325@fledge.watson.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060629111231.GA692@wolf.nvidia.com> <20060702114950.bf39e312.mmendez@energyhq.be> <1151877095.1085.19.camel@genius.i.cz> <20060703103420.B26325@fledge.watson.org> Cc: Sam Smith , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Michal Mertl , Christian Zander Subject: Re: NVIDIA FreeBSD kernel feature requests X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: kmacy@fsmware.com List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 06:27:44 -0000 > Producing a driver for a GPU card, especially one that possibly converts from > GL-foo to foo appropriate to program and feed an ASIC on a video card, is > quite different matter entirely. > > I'm all for open source drivers, and would also encourage NVIDIA to continue > to reconsider their closed source driver approach where it makes sense > (especially for the network interfaces). However, I think that we shouldn't > conflate these two cases rhetorically, as there are orders of magnitude > complexity (and intellectual property) differences. Furthermore, requesting needed changes to the kernel interfaces is completely orthogonal to their documentation policies. -Kip