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Date:      Tue, 30 Jul 2002 18:34:39 -0700 (PDT)
From:      robert Backhaus <robbakfreebsd@yahoo.co.uk>
To:        Peter Leftwich <Hostmaster@Video2Video.Com>
Cc:        Cherie & John Carri <cjcarri@earthlink.net>, FreeBSD LIST <FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.Org>
Subject:   Re: Can FreeBSD make a hard drive unbootable by other OS's ?
Message-ID:  <20020731013439.8264.qmail@web12903.mail.yahoo.com>
In-Reply-To: <20020730211435.A10245-100000@earl-grey.cloud9.net>

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--- Peter Leftwich <Hostmaster@Video2Video.Com> wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, robert Backhaus wrote:
> > You can do anything with FreeBSD....
> 
> But you cannot undo anything (i.e. _everything_)
> with FreeBSD.  *wahunnn*
> 
> > Check out references on 'Dangerously Dedicated'
> disks. This looks promising -
> > http://www.pl.freebsd.org/FAQ/FAQ114.html
> 
> Slices rock.  But three things aren't clear at the
> above write-up:
> 
> "The advantages of this mode are: FreeBSD owns the
> entire disk, no need to
> waste several fictitious `tracks' for just nothing
> but a 1980-aged
> simplistic partitioning model enforcing some
> artificial and now rather
> nonsensical constraints on how this partitioning
> needs to be done. These
> constraints often lead to what might be the biggest
> headaches for OS
> installations on PCs, geometry mismatch hassles
> resulting out of two
> different, redundant ways how to store the
> partitioning information in the
> fdisk table. See the chapter about Missing Operating
> System. In
> ``dangerously dedicated'' mode, the BSD bootstrap
> starts at sector 0, and
> this one is the only sector that always translates
> into the same C/H/S
> values, regardless of which `translation' your BIOS
> is using for your disk.
> Thus, you can also swap disks between
> systems/controllers that use a
> different translation scheme, without risking that
> they won't boot anymore."
> 
> It isn't clear but they seem to be "selling" the
> reader on this version,
> even though the misnomer and scary name has the word
> dangerous in it.
> 
> Er, that was kind of question one.

Now we've got 40GB disks for the price of a good day's
work, those tracks are rather unimportant. I still
would use DD mode if I didn't want to dual boot,
knowing that any strange formatting can be zapped away
fairly easily.

> 
> "To return a ``dangerously dedicated'' disk for
> normal PC use, there are
> basically two options. The first is, you write
> enough NULL bytes over the
> MBR to make any subsequent installation believe this
> to be a blank disk.
> You can do this for example with `dd if=/dev/zero
> of=/dev/rsd0 count=15`"
> 
> Here I am wondering why they say "to return a d.d.d.
> for normal PC use" -
> do they mean exclusively PC use?  I would rest
> better if it was written
> from the angle of "here's why you may want to do x,
> y and z oh and here is
> how to -DO- x, y and z..."

What this will do is, for the purposes of any
fsidk/partition magic/formatter program, return the
disk to a 'Unformatted, straight from the factory'
state. From there, do what you want! It's the `fix all
problems' shotgun solution.

> 
> "Alternatively, the undocumented DOS ``feature''
> `fdisk /mbr` will to
> install a new master boot record as well, thus
> clobbering the BSD bootstrap."
> 
> Question 3, is this fdisk /mbr a DOS command or a
> FreeBSD command, or both?
> 

Dos command. It's the dos disk partitioner. Great for
this, but it's too slow for most PC installers, who
use things from Ontrack that format a disk in about 5
seconds.

> > It's nothing that a `ZapDisk' type utility won't
> fix.
> 
> Ooh ooh ooh!  What is ZapDisk?  Is it like
> PartitionMagic for FreeBSDers?!
> 
It's a dos utility that does the 'partition table
obliteration' outlined above. Put it on a boot floppy
and add it to your tooklit. Do a google, I couldn't
find it's hompage. It'll be at tucows et al 
> --
> Peter Leftwich
> President & Founder
> Video2Video Services
> Box 13692, La Jolla, CA, 92039 USA
> +1-413-403-9555
> 


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