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Hi,

Does any one has any technical reason why this change is wrong, or makes 
smth
worse? If this change makes smth better, even a bit, and does not ruin 
smth, why it does
not have a chance for existence?

IMHO.

rik

Andrey Chernov wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 12:16:44PM +0200, Dag-Erling Sm??rgrav wrote:
>   
>>> 1) PRNG is not crypto.
>>>       
>> Stop spewing nonsense.  
>>     
>
> Do you have enough education to determene what is nonsense and what is 
> not here? For example I have master degree in mathematics.
>
>   
>> PRNG and crypto are inseparable.  
>>     
>
> Well separable areas. Various PRNGs can be used in or choosed by crypto. 
> But no crypto in PRNG itself.
>
>   
>> In addition,
>> as you very well know, this PRNG is actually the keystream generator for
>> the RC4 stream cipher.
>>     
>
> Yes, I know. And what? Crypto uses math intensively, not PRNGs only, 
> hashes etc.
>
> To confirm my words, OpenBSD uses ar4random() almost everywhere in the 
> tree, especially after realizing "modulo bias" bug, and use it as "plain" 
> PRNG even in simplest non-crypto areas.
>
>