From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 15 11:13:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2281616A4B3 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:13:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail9.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.209]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC63643FD7 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:13:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmg@hydrogen.funkthat.com) Received: (qmail 13989 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2003 18:13:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hydrogen.funkthat.com) ([69.17.45.168]) (envelope-sender ) by mail9.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 15 Oct 2003 18:13:09 -0000 Received: from hydrogen.funkthat.com (wnspsl@localhost.funkthat.com [127.0.0.1])h9FID8Ce037401; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:13:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmg@hydrogen.funkthat.com) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by hydrogen.funkthat.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id h9FID7ma037400; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:13:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:13:07 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-ID: <20031015181307.GA533@funkthat.com> Mail-Followup-To: Poul-Henning Kamp , Andrey Chernov , Wilko Bulte , developers@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org References: <20031015133634.GA37556@nagual.pp.ru> <43618.1066226536@critter.freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43618.1066226536@critter.freebsd.dk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ X-Resume: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/resume.html cc: Andrey Chernov cc: doc@FreeBSD.org cc: developers@FreeBSD.org cc: Wilko Bulte Subject: Re: hiding e-mail adresses needed badly X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:13:13 -0000 X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:13:13 -0000 Poul-Henning Kamp wrote this message on Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 16:02 +0200: > And I personally think that by "hiding" the email addresses, you concede > defeat to the spammers. I don't want to let a bunch of low-life > con-men decide how I can and should use the InterNet. I object to any obfuscating of email addresses. Once we start doing that we are no long are easily visible project. I personlly think projects that obfuscate email addresses are lame and won't pay much attention to the project. If we do start obfuscating email addresses, I request that my email address NOT be. I do not want to hide behind a fake barrier. Do you really think that email harvesters haven't learned how to deal with obfuscated email addresses? Then there are always the really funny ones that put in their webpage: someone at somedomain dot com Ummm, hello!! you just put your bloody email address in the clear in the href!! Stupid! Spam needs to be addressed at a different level than simply trying to hide your email. Remeber the whole security through obscurity is no security at all? This is just another part of it. It would be good to get a list of rules that do things like have a list of people that are known to always sign their email with a pgp/gpg key, and always accept mail from them, etc. Sorry for the little rant about this. I don't want to see the FreeBSD project alienate it's users due to trying to block developers from spam. -- John-Mark Gurney Voice: +1 415 225 5579 "All that I will do, has been done, All that I have, has not."