From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Oct 2 21:03:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA21893 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 21:03:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA21886 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 21:03:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA11203; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 20:51:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Frank Pawlak cc: Brett Glass , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Device Drivers for Linux and Intel's annoucement In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 02 Oct 1998 22:04:50 CDT." <19981002220450.A11661@execpc.com> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 20:51:35 -0700 Message-ID: <11199.907386695@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I have to agree with Brett 100% on this one, while adding that it is > damned painful to watch. So *DO SOMETHING*. Geeze, do I have to spell it out in letters of 10 foot neon? This is not the cabalistic OS you seem to think it is, with people like me controlling every aspect of its progress. To even imagine this gives me way too much credit and conveniently puts aside the fact that volunteer labor, both ours and several previous generation's worth of grad students, is what got us here today (not me). Volunteer labor is also, not so coincidently, what got Linux to where it is today in all the areas that you and Brett are crying over. It's not Red Hat's doing - they're just surfing the top of the wave and trying to make it look as if they're actually steering it. Poppycock. You have a choice. As I have said so many times now that it must be becoming a litany, if you want to do FreeBSD a whole bunch of good for very little comparative cost, go write a book. Or a magazine article. Or even a 10 page self-help guide (which frequently grow into books anyway). You don't need anyone's help or buy-in or official blessing to do any of that, you just need to get up off your asses, stop wasting time whining to people who are only going to see it as whining anyway, and write the bloody things. If you're not willing to do that much then it follows that you probably didn't actually care as passionately about the matter as you thought you did anyway and should probably stop wasting people's time with assertions that you do. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message