From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jan 22 22:53:55 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3190EB5397 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2018 22:53:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dalescott@shaw.ca) Received: from smtp-out-so.shaw.ca (smtp-out-so.shaw.ca [64.59.136.138]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A7B3B72FC4 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2018 22:53:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dalescott@shaw.ca) Received: from dalet420 ([174.0.43.39]) by shaw.ca with ESMTP id dkyJeo30tS7BpdkyKeV0AU; Mon, 22 Jan 2018 15:53:49 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=shaw.ca; s=s20150330; t=1516661629; bh=637xgydGLxnC0bUI9qN7AhfZ8GBuN6XVojJzdkqEOnA=; h=From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date; b=sQkeJ2d0uwP5Rsei+XgM7ANJYGGXGa38oGGIwms9l9pfunybPIQtymDofo7OSuaTd T5/vzMn19sZ8ySicCLk+WVfoJ5lNDeqapNWN3RDad0FTN9ix1Sh3xakJ5HdaBS1d2y iAUwlJYO5ntJd+1s9Y+0nIig3AvfOry+VxtdzbgurCsLM8AC/D6uBnEL0TjL7+EtJQ GYLH7CGdYkg3jAqVbcQ0Q2i5ytHqiU3iYjMEQU7CPZfkkpB6/Dp2wd6UiEywmO2yX1 sX+UFKMLy+MfV1qdRvsadFjHICohw8lT+VGCeE0CxQ9YX7Ecr6NVKagPOYmR4Wr2g3 DHGJhFcfktZ4w== X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=NKylwwyg c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=TiBur8m8wieNAdBnNdHE5Q==:117 a=TiBur8m8wieNAdBnNdHE5Q==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=5mcg790sAAAA:8 a=IVvqCPU2AAAA:8 a=61wf9MbXM2TVVQ7LPnUA:9 a=PtCzalzaTxqZe1ef:21 a=Zj18CpKC-8XDwVjZ:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=pTfG0XxAYjkA:10 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 a=uQeDYW1NI25gHNlrW_eK:22 From: "Dale Scott" To: "'Valeri Galtsev'" , "'FreeBSD Mailing List'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Document/collaboration server advise needed Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 15:53:46 -0700 Message-ID: <002101d393d3$dd2e06c0$978a1440$@shaw.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQNah38V0IlxMxLUzX67Lhv3U8xkxaByg0gQ Content-Language: en-us X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfJvXiLAXVAi8IxIGSqjGVTwMANQhjMC0dEp5BpOxI0MelpN2zjUt3QmI5iK7sAyL0EJHEv5raw+VUUfWU9LBUiEDbf0b0EBwyaFFnXJL7JIjp9lZ6v4d i0V/RsYbVm/wcZqQuK8iYpMGIcNt1lwPwmuGOPz3/pNlTz7FJfSUV26IKFfW2Pvw4DsebA7ScbgYQiw8ol+hbWl6fc+sic1Kke8= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 22:53:55 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Valeri Galtsev > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 1:52 PM > To: FreeBSD Mailing List > Subject: Document/collaboration server advise needed > > Dear All, > > Three groups of scientists need to write documents collaboratively. They are > going to use MS PowerPoint, Word, also store PDF files. They want to be able > to add external people from other groups they collaborate with and give > them access to some areas or "projects". In other words, they want some > collaborative work environment, mostly to work on documents. > Are your users comfortable using revision control systems? If yes, then how technical or how simple do they want the process to be? There is a nice "Document Revisions" plugin for WordPress, with a "drag and drop" onto the web page interface. It manages each document individually but essentially non-collaboratively. It also manages documents individually, which is not so well if you have groups of documents that are controlled together (e.g. a Visio file plus a Word file plus an PowerPoint plus a PDF all together equal a conference submission). Many people use Subversion for ad hoc documents such as mechanical engineering drawings, Word docs, etc., but a tree document structure has to make sense to users and document searching doesn't seem to feature in any of the Subversion clients (which is disappointing, because I suspect TortoiseSVN and a back-room Subversion server are the document control system in many embedded engineering groups). The more technical the solution is though, the more there will need to be a software-orientated champion in the group for the process to work effectively. Do your users currently use a shared network directory for all their documents, with perhaps with an ad hoc filename naming convention? I was once managing engineering product documentation (schematics, mechanical drawings, Word docs, etc.) and configured a nightly rsync from effectively a shared "sandbox" into a "controlled vault", only copying modified files and adding a date and time suffix if an updated version was copied. Have you investigated built-in collaboration tools? Word has built-in collaboration, merging edits, etc. If Word is the document creator/editor of choice for your users, perhaps the "best" solution is use Word for collaborating. I would still also advocate for a process though that creates a copy of the file at various milestones (e.g. "release to print shop", "submit to conference") for visibility and reliability. I believe Excel also has built-in collaboration features. Don't under estimate the need to keep people happy. The new system has to solve the problems that users perceive they are having, otherwise moving them to the new system will be an uphill battle and could easily lose traction and collapse before complete. Technical people have a high-degree of tolerance for complexity (even liking it!), and users will avoid "better" solutions and find workarounds if they don't agree (and I say this as a "user"). Good luck! --- Dale R. Scott dalescott.net http://www.dalescott.net > In the past scientists were using TeX, and one of version control systems > (CVS, subversion,...). And all was great, as TeX files (pretty much like > programs software developers write) are ASCII text files, and diff of two > version is rather small... > > Unlike the past scientists I work for plan to use MS PowerPoint, Word, also > store PDF files. All these are effectively binary files for version control > systems, then versions will not be stored as a small diff, but each version > ends up being the whole document. > > One obvious solution may be: just buy office365.com service, or set up MS > server on our own machine. And these are the two things I am trying to > avoid. > > Could someone recommend open source software? Some collaborative suite > focused mostly on working on documents, with web based interface. > > I run owncloud server for my Department, and one in general can use that, > but I hope to find something more focused towards collaborative work. > > Thanks a lot for your advises and pointers. > > Valeri > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Valeri Galtsev > Sr System Administrator > Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological > Physics University of Chicago > Phone: 773-702-4247 > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org"