From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 7 3:45:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from dozer.skynet.be (dozer.skynet.be [195.238.2.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4881B14E1F for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 03:45:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from blk@skynet.be) Received: from [195.238.1.121] (brad.techos.skynet.be [195.238.1.121]) by dozer.skynet.be (8.9.3/odie-relay-v1.0) with ESMTP id MAA08747; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 12:45:12 +0100 (MET) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@foxbert.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20000106190528.F1293@ns1.arch.bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 11:37:10 +0100 To: Randy Bush , Christian Kuhtz From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: 4.0 code freeze scheduled for Jan 15th Cc: FreeBSD Current Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 4:14 PM -0800 2000/1/6, Randy Bush wrote: > my point is that we can only wait politely and appreciatively for the kame > folk to continue their work to a point where it is more fully rounded. > until then, we should not forget that other features are also driving the > 4.0 release train. I'd like to point out that if full IPv6 or IPSec support isn't ready for us within this timeframe, I highly doubt that it's going to be ready for anyone else in that same timeframe. On that basis, if anyone else ships with any support for IPv6 or IPSec, it's likely to be incomplete, buggy, and probably cause more problems than it's worth. If there is not even a snowball's chance in Hell that these things will be ready in the timeframe we're going to do 4.0-RELEASE in, then we should go ahead and not wait for them, and instead integrate them in under 4.1-RELEASE, or whenever they're actually ready. If there is something that kinda, semi, sorta works today, then it should either be a port or you should at least be able to get the source and put it on the system and get it to compile and install yourself, right? How is this any different than if we ship sendmail 8.9.3 as the default MTA today, but if you want to go get and use postfix instead, you're welcome to do so? -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ____________________________________________________________________ |o| Brad Knowles, Belgacom Skynet NV/SA |o| |o| Systems Architect, News & FTP Admin Rue Col. Bourg, 124 |o| |o| Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.11.11/12.49 B-1140 Brussels |o| |o| http://www.skynet.be Belgium |o| \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Unix is like a wigwam -- no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside. Unix is very user-friendly. It's just picky who its friends are. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message