From owner-freebsd-current Mon Jan 6 19:28:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA24789 for current-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 19:28:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id TAA24784 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 19:28:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id UAA13730; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 20:17:29 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199701070317.UAA13730@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: kernel w/o source? [MOD_DECL in lkm.h] To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 20:17:29 -0700 (MST) Cc: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu, jb@cimlogic.com.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <12012.852520298@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jan 5, 97 07:11:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Unfortunately, every time we've also looked around for someone who'd > be really interested in the idea of championing config, the room has > quickly emptied. :-) This is probably because everyone knows having to configure devices at all is an evil perpetuated by people not writing perfect probe code. Lack of perfect probe code is an evil perpetuated by ISA. ISA is an evil no one claims credit for, but which many argue in favor of every time I suggest we put it to the torch. One of the complainers is responsible, and I will find them out eventually. ;-). Meanwhile, it's possible to write "near-perfect" probe code, if you are willing to either say at the gross level "yes, I have this card" or are willing to live with "press reset if this takes 'too long'". Otherwise, people should strive for configless devices where possible; having a crufty "non-90's" config happens to encorage this, so it's a good thing. 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers.