From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Wed Nov 28 16:43:44 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 295FB115AC64 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 16:43:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dclarke@blastwave.org) Received: from atl4mhfb03.myregisteredsite.com (atl4mhfb03.myregisteredsite.com [209.17.115.119]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 784367C3AA for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 16:43:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dclarke@blastwave.org) Received: from atl4mhob13.registeredsite.com (atl4mhob13.registeredsite.com [209.17.115.51]) by atl4mhfb03.myregisteredsite.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id wASGhbMu013287 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 11:43:37 -0500 Received: from mailpod.hostingplatform.com (atl4qobmail02pod2.registeredsite.com [10.30.77.36]) by atl4mhob13.registeredsite.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id wASGhTkJ003543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 11:43:29 -0500 Received: (qmail 22055 invoked by uid 0); 28 Nov 2018 16:43:29 -0000 X-TCPREMOTEIP: 174.118.245.214 X-Authenticated-UID: dclarke@blastwave.org Received: from unknown (HELO ?172.16.35.3?) (dclarke@blastwave.org@174.118.245.214) by 0 with ESMTPA; 28 Nov 2018 16:43:29 -0000 Subject: Re: revision 341006 quite unusable To: Paul Mather Cc: FreeBSD PowerPC ML References: <62bd5352-6eb5-ea4c-fd5b-fd4d1a35186b@blastwave.org> <7534F42F-5BFA-4C94-B387-A42F10B5B389@yahoo.com> <0a223db3-8c88-faa9-5cfe-983ada996d4e@blastwave.org> <70945861-107c-b271-93fe-110127d90ba4@blastwave.org> <55240EC6-D3EF-4C93-850C-BF6109C72B5E@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> From: Dennis Clarke Message-ID: <22308c28-beea-5871-c29a-5467dad5cbae@blastwave.org> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 11:43:28 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:64.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/64.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <55240EC6-D3EF-4C93-850C-BF6109C72B5E@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 784367C3AA X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.23 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.24)[-0.238,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.20)[0.198,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.60)[-0.598,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[blastwave.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx1.netsolmail.net]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[119.115.17.209.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:19871, ipnet:209.17.112.0/21, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.02)[country: US(-0.09)]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[119.115.17.209.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 16:43:44 -0000 On 11/28/18 11:15 AM, Paul Mather wrote: > On Nov 28, 2018, at 10:33 AM, Dennis Clarke wrote: >> On 11/27/18 7:09 PM, Mark Millard wrote: >>> On 2018-Nov-27, at 11:47, Dennis Clarke wrote: >>>> On 11/27/18 2:28 PM, Mark Millard wrote: >>>>> On 2018-Nov-27, at 01:26, Dennis Clarke wrote: Looking at BUILD(7) and RELEASE(7) there are piles of secret knowledge all over the place in various bits and the handbook is not all that useful. One needs to sit down and read for hours and hours and then reference here there and everywhere and run days of experiments to watch things "not work" over and over and over until maybe someday arrive at a process and procedure that works. I think I have installed FreeBSD at least twenty times in the last two months and there are always little problems to sort out. Every time. The ppc64 bits are a fun experiment and I'd like to see that working given all the great stuff happening at IBM and with the new "Summit" supercomputer. Makes one think that Power9 has a life for a while yet and I don't have to run Debian on ye old IBM970 ppc64 boxen. However getting a build to actually happen in the secret sequence and install the secret bits takes a lot of patience. I have just accepted that I will just keep on plugging away over and over and eventually arrive at a machine with all cores working and a recent up to date kernel and other bits. Getting there is like crawling through the swamps of Mordor with one core and one thread working. Dennis