From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 10 20:40:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA3EE16A47A; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:40:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from weak.local (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4EB913C4EE; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:40:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <478682D2.8030006@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:40:50 +0100 From: Kris Kennaway User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Erik Osterholm , Adrian Chadd , Dominic Fandrey , freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: <478556AD.6090400@bsdforen.de> <20080110161541.GA2317@aleph.cepheid.org> In-Reply-To: <20080110161541.GA2317@aleph.cepheid.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:40:52 -0000 Erik Osterholm wrote: > On Thu, Jan 10, 2008 at 11:56:15PM +0900, Adrian Chadd wrote: >> On 10/01/2008, Dominic Fandrey wrote: >> >> This is the thing though. Its working for the developers, its not >> working for the users, so how do you think it'll get fixed? >> >>> The second big problem is the handling of regressions. PRs remain >>> unanswered or the reporters are told that the regressions they >>> report do not exist. Some of our members have even suffered the >>> experience that they developed a patch, but it simply was ignored >>> or turned down for the reason that it was a "Linux solution". >>> Especially frustrating for those among us who have never looked at >>> Linux code. >> Whats the PR number? > > I'm coming in in the middle of this thread, but here's one from July > 2006: > kern/100839 > > No one from the FreeBSD community ever responded on it. I thought > that I'd even suggested removing the driver entirely, due to this > showstopping bug, and removing its listing as compatible, but now I > can't find an archived reference, so maybe it was in my head. > > I love FreeBSD, and I used it on a daily basis, but there's an > example, if you're genuinely interested. > > Erik Yeah, that's a pretty good example of hardware with no real maintainer in the FreeBSD community. Actually it does look like yongari@ worked on it a couple of months ago, so you might want to bring it to his attention. Kris