From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sun Aug 26 22:39:03 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11B861085475; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 22:39:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mmacy@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B81E7747E5; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 22:39:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mmacy@freebsd.org) Received: from mail-it0-f46.google.com (mail-it0-f46.google.com [209.85.214.46]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) (Authenticated sender: mmacy) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7DE701C7B0; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 22:39:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mmacy@freebsd.org) Received: by mail-it0-f46.google.com with SMTP id u13-v6so131849iti.1; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 15:39:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51ANFKAlFFz3S2JMRRRRFUMdyrES1kixrBGlEcmhSAht/bBZrnDZ 8v3K+Fq9L1duBPn1rRoFuuwHzGm/K+zjwQ9fKSw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdaiH3PFdJU73Xia53h01lPGGdGR24ZKKht8hMDXa0KlM90tAmctaWMUMG/UeGymr2NHI3rcJ/VJ7ZQokuAQaAE= X-Received: by 2002:a02:2b12:: with SMTP id h18-v6mr8496157jaa.10.1535323141619; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 15:39:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <86k1oepbdr.fsf@next.des.no> <180f8f99-5fa1-1411-59e6-856e3ebc370c@cameron.net> <86d0u5otu4.fsf@next.des.no> <20180826223334.i4bc4pmux5gojzbq@ler-imac.local> In-Reply-To: <20180826223334.i4bc4pmux5gojzbq@ler-imac.local> From: Matthew Macy Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 15:38:49 -0700 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-current Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 22:39:03 -0000 Please just stop responding to this person or we're going to have to migrate to moderated lists. You're legitimizing the voice of one person who project members have spend hours of their time (some even in person) trying to explain the time tradeoffs of supporting graphics. For some reason he isn't capable of understanding the technical issues and he isn't capable of constructively engaging the project. Thank you for your understanding. -M On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 3:33 PM Larry Rosenman wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 06:21:57AM +0800, blubee blubeeme wrote: > > > > You seem to miss the point where the you avoid breaking the system for any > > users not on the bleeding edge. > > > > You technically adept guys can keep on hacking away, jumping through hoops > > and building your stuff as you see fit. > > Nobody will come take your steal your code away in the night. Feel free to > > keep on working on it, until implementing it > > doesn't break "old users" do the engineering work and improve your > > implementation. > > > > There are so many seemingly dead code projects around this linuxkpi stuff > > that you guys just pump out code and abandon > > inconsistent lack of documentation, lack of testing, it's just a huge mess. > > > > Work on cleaning all that stuff up and bring something sensible to the > > table, you cannot put onus on the core team to maintain > > that mess going forward because you're not capable of doing it yourselves. > > If you don't like breakage, don't run HEAD/-CURRENT. If it's not out in > HEAD/-CURRENT, we (the project, speaking as a ports committer) can't > move forward. > > > -- > Larry Rosenman https://people.FreeBSD.org/~ler/ > Phone: +1 214-642-9640 E-Mail: ler@FreeBSD.org > US Mail: 5708 Sabbia Drive, Round Rock, TX 78665-2106