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Date:      Sun, 26 Aug 2018 15:38:49 -0700
From:      Matthew Macy <mmacy@freebsd.org>
To:        freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12
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In-Reply-To: <20180826223334.i4bc4pmux5gojzbq@ler-imac.local>
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Please just stop responding to this person or we're going to have to
migrate to moderated lists. You're legitimizing the voice of one
person who project members have spend hours of their time (some even
in person) trying to explain the time tradeoffs of supporting
graphics. For some reason he isn't capable of understanding the
technical issues and he isn't capable of constructively engaging the
project.

Thank you for your understanding.
-M



On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 3:33 PM Larry Rosenman <ler@freebsd.org> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 06:21:57AM +0800, blubee blubeeme wrote:
> >
> > You seem to miss the point where the you avoid breaking the system for any
> > users not on the bleeding edge.
> >
> > You technically adept guys can keep on hacking away, jumping through hoops
> > and building your stuff as you see fit.
> > Nobody will come take your steal your code away in the night. Feel free to
> > keep on working on it, until implementing it
> > doesn't break "old users" do the engineering work and improve your
> > implementation.
> >
> > There are so many seemingly dead code projects around this linuxkpi stuff
> > that you guys just pump out code and abandon
> > inconsistent lack of documentation, lack of testing, it's just a huge mess.
> >
> > Work on cleaning all that stuff up and bring something sensible to the
> > table, you cannot put onus on the core team to maintain
> > that mess going forward because you're not capable of doing it yourselves.
>
> If you don't like breakage, don't run HEAD/-CURRENT.  If it's not out in
> HEAD/-CURRENT, we (the project, speaking as a ports committer) can't
> move forward.
>
>
> --
> Larry Rosenman                         https://people.FreeBSD.org/~ler/
> Phone: +1 214-642-9640                 E-Mail: ler@FreeBSD.org
> US Mail: 5708 Sabbia Drive, Round Rock, TX 78665-2106



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