From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 17 19:17:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 656BC1065670 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:17:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nox@jelal.kn-bremen.de) Received: from smtp.kn-bremen.de (gelbbaer.kn-bremen.de [78.46.108.116]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 137BB8FC15 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:17:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by smtp.kn-bremen.de (Postfix, from userid 10) id 246F41E00244; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:59:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from triton8.kn-bremen.de (noident@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by triton8.kn-bremen.de (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p2HIseHR038835; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:54:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from nox@triton8.kn-bremen.de) Received: (from nox@localhost) by triton8.kn-bremen.de (8.14.4/8.14.3/Submit) id p2HIsdbV038834; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:54:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from nox) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:54:39 +0100 (CET) From: Juergen Lock Message-Id: <201103171854.p2HIsdbV038834@triton8.kn-bremen.de> To: olli@lurza.secnetix.de X-Newsgroups: gmane.os.freebsd.devel.x11 In-Reply-To: <201103142030.p2EKU6rv087366@lurza.secnetix.de> References: <19838.28706.591314.928087@gossamer.timing.com> Organization: Cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org, freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Low-power HTPC etc (was: Re: AMD E-350) X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:17:25 -0000 In article <201103142030.p2EKU6rv087366@lurza.secnetix.de> you write: >John Hein wrote: > > Some of this definitely pushing the envelope right now, so atom is > > likely more right for you. But using arm for this space (and low > > single digit W instead of 10-ish) seems not that far away. > >Well, the Atom N330 has a TDP of only 8 W, which isn't >that bad for a 1.6 GHz 64bit 4-way processor (2 cores + >hyperthreading). > >Of course, ARM processors may certainly have even better >performance/watt ratio. But I think I stay with i386- >compatible hardware for my particular case. Btw there's also the Celeron SU2300 which has a TDP of 10 W and is about twice as fast as the N330 Atom as you can see e.g. here: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Processors-Benchmarklist.2436.0.html (even tho it only runs at 1.2 GHz.) I know this because I had a similar problem as you and now I'm in the process of setting up this little box called "ZOTAC ZBOX HD-ND22": http://pden.zotac.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage_images.tpl&product_id=275&category_id=118&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1 It was about EUR 200 without disk/RAM, and the only drawbacks I found so far are: a) its not fanless (although pretty silent), b) it only supports usb keyboards/mice, c) the bios seems to be a little buggy when booting from the internal disk using FreeBSD's bootcode/loader (there's a long-ish delay before loading each bootcode/kernel/kld and the usb keyboard doesn't work in that case either until the kernel is started) booting the install image from an usb flashkey was much faster and the keyboard worked too. I have yet to try putting grub2 on the internal disk and booting FreeBSD using that, or if that doesn't improve things putting the boocode/kernel on a flashkey - and d) at least 8.2 doesn't know the onboard Ralink RT2860/RT2890 wifi, (I wanted wired anyway and the onboard nfe(4) seems to work) e) it doesn't have audio line in, only line/spdif out and mic in. (of course you could connect an usb soundcard.) BUT: - vdpau with xbmc etc works pretty well including for 1080i with half temporal deinterlacing (no temporal spatial tho since this seems to be the `old' ION), - unlike on miwi's box the amd64 nvidia driver _does_ work with 8 GB RAM, - the cpu has vmx too so if you want you can even run vbox with amd64 guests, and - after some patching (more on that later, I mainly wanted to let you know about the SU2300 before it's too late :) I now also got vdr working pretty well on the box using vdpau and/or vaapi and a "Technotrend TT-connect S2-3600" usb dvb-s2 tuner. HTH, Juergen PS: pciconf -lv: hostb0@pci0:0:0:0: class=0x060000 card=0xcb7910de chip=0x0a8210de rev=0xb1 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'NVIDIA Corporation' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI none0@pci0:0:0:1: class=0x050000 card=0xcb7910de chip=0x0a8810de rev=0xb1 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'NVIDIA Corporation' class = memory subclass = RAM isab0@pci0:0:3:0: class=0x060100 card=0xa14719da chip=0x0aae10de rev=0xb3 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'NVIDIA Corporation' class = bridge subclass = PCI-ISA none1@pci0:0:3:1: class=0x050000 card=0xa14719da chip=0x0aa410de rev=0xb1 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'NVIDIA Corporation' class = memory subclass = RAM none2@pci0:0:3:2: class=0x0c0500 card=0xa14719da chip=0x0aa210de rev=0xb1 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'NVIDIA Corporation' class = serial bus subclass = SMBus none3@pci0:0:3:3: class=0x050000 card=0xcb7910de chip=0x0a8910de rev=0xb1 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'NVIDIA Corporation' class = memory subclass = RAM none4@pci0:0:3:5: class=0x0b4000 card=0xa14719da chip=0x0aa310de rev=0xb1 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'NVIDIA Corporation' device = 'nForce 730i SMBus Controller (MCP7A)' class = processor ohci0@pci0:0:4:0: class=0x0c0310 card=0xa14719da chip=0x0aa510de rev=0xb1 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'NVIDIA Corporation' class = serial bus subclass = USB ehci0@pci0:0:4:1: class=0x0c0320 card=0xa14719da chip=0x0aa610de rev=0xb1 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'NVIDIA Corporation' class = serial bus subclass = USB ohci1@pci0:0:6:0: class=0x0c0310 card=0xa14719da chip=0x0aa710de rev=0xb1 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'NVIDIA Corporation' class = serial bus subclass = USB ehci1@pci0:0:6:1: class=0x0c0320 card=0xa14719da chip=0x0aa910de rev=0xb1 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'NVIDIA Corporation' class = serial bus subclass = USB hdac0@pci0:0:8:0: class=0x040300 card=0xa14719da chip=0x0ac010de rev=0xb1 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'NVIDIA Corporation' class = multimedia subclass = HDA pcib1@pci0:0:9:0: class=0x060401 card=0xa14719da chip=0x0aab10de rev=0xb1 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'NVIDIA Corporation' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI nfe0@pci0:0:10:0: class=0x020000 card=0xa14719da chip=0x0ab010de rev=0xb1 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'NVIDIA Corporation' device = 'ID0A80 (NForce 9300)' class = network subclass = ethernet ahci0@pci0:0:11:0: class=0x010185 card=0xa14719da chip=0x0ab410de rev=0xb1 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'NVIDIA Corporation' class = mass storage subclass = ATA pcib2@pci0:0:12:0: class=0x060400 card=0xa14719da chip=0x0ac410de rev=0xb1 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'NVIDIA Corporation' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI pcib3@pci0:0:16:0: class=0x060400 card=0xa14719da chip=0x0aa010de rev=0xb1 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'NVIDIA Corporation' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI pcib4@pci0:0:21:0: class=0x060400 card=0xa14719da chip=0x0ac610de rev=0xb1 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'NVIDIA Corporation' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI pcib5@pci0:0:22:0: class=0x060400 card=0xa14719da chip=0x0ac710de rev=0xb1 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'NVIDIA Corporation' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI pcib6@pci0:0:23:0: class=0x060400 card=0xa14719da chip=0x0ac710de rev=0xb1 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'NVIDIA Corporation' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI pcib7@pci0:0:24:0: class=0x060400 card=0xa14719da chip=0x0ac710de rev=0xb1 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'NVIDIA Corporation' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI vgapci0@pci0:3:0:0: class=0x030000 card=0xa14719da chip=0x087410de rev=0xb1 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'NVIDIA Corporation' class = display subclass = VGA none5@pci0:4:0:0: class=0x028000 card=0x10591a3b chip=0x07811814 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Ralink Technology, Corp.' device = 'Wireless (RT2860/RT2890)' class = network