From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 25 06:51:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1C171065670; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 06:51:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [IPv6:2a01:348:0:15:5d59:5c40:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 401428FC1D; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 06:51:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50633E62C1; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 07:51:14 +0100 (BST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cran.org.uk; h=message-id :date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=mail; bh=cFBO8hwoabPM gvrDODkMQWas4dk=; b=Qi7OT61KXs6Qhzh4hTzZ4zQrNdLX/UX50EiqSCVZrsXa oTLOIfV+Bse6nFjRwDloGpcCD/CJz+7WS3QLeUNNbZGF+6u/F41AlB45RGNhal9O 8wpSC5CygvcFrn99GFd695uKIobc4/12lGiLHrUYv0VFh8ciZ8DApDILXNpJnW0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=cran.org.uk; h=message-id :date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=mail; b=EJ7NAl UQwM1iMCa1mtcA2o2YHm6/VJJbIDjoaRBcaVuvoUKxDT2L4659+3bvNZR3f+Pusn ecvhkSpHvc23M0alpd03USFVFRHIdDhbbo+MooOHWfk8UzFspwGRvXlKMcEFMBR0 I+g3CJS2Qnsj/6x4KhiZPkWe6kHVJ/PlRXyRI= Received: from [192.168.1.64] (188-222-18-231.zone13.bethere.co.uk [188.222.18.231]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 18E0BE62B5; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 07:51:14 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4E2D125F.6040909@cran.org.uk> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 07:51:11 +0100 From: Bruce Cran User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Freddie Cash References: <20110724162937.33865zm0kn4ztdwk@econet.encontacto.net> <4E2C8FBE.7040003@freebsd.org> <4E2CA4A7.7020100@fuzzwad.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-current , Ron McDowell , Nathan Whitehorn , eculp Subject: Re: Trying to install current from a memory stick and then a DVD and got a new and strange installer. X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 06:51:15 -0000 On 25/07/2011 06:01, Freddie Cash wrote: > Thank goodness. The worst thing about sysinstall was that it tried to > be a Swiss Army knife doing everything, yet not doing any one thing > well. It made a royal mess of rc.conf if you tried to use it to > configure a system. Usually the first time someone mentions they use > it for post-install configuration, the recommendation is to stop doing > that! An os installer should do just that: install the os and nothing > else. I tend to disagree with this. For people unfamiliar with FreeBSD using it as a systems administration tool can be really useful, at least until they understand where all the various configuration files are and how they work. Having recently switched to opensuse from Ubuntu I know I find the YaST tool incredibly useful, and probably wouldn't have continued using SuSE if it hadn't been there. Its installer mode is one of the better installers I've come across, and lets you fine-tune the configuration. -- Bruce Cran