From owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Tue Mar 6 01:20:33 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D21B6F3C6E6 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2018 01:20:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sektie@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x232.google.com (mail-it0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5CA3177C61; Tue, 6 Mar 2018 01:20:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sektie@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x232.google.com with SMTP id k135so11746104ite.2; Mon, 05 Mar 2018 17:20:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=Lgxpra27UOhiV989BF/vIAb1rNIlOqK0GkCE6i8Lq+0=; b=Qj1suj/Vv1Giw9zKDLG/J7/E2C6OvGWDpLch7Zy5v30nIkvrIkGRsq76J4QOgdT2P/ 7Qkz6ibACgZ1CPWm/aXUkDBfshSrkEoMtQ/2TbSnQR85i40I0VQizGCy8aw3NEa0uj0O SxacZKky8Rp6USEsqHAD+pwegEMtuiSg3ILQUQMqtqoGW0e5khUIEvsATK0Xc6h+03Xm EApUZ+o1+gR1fQN2zPo7IrSawurQckQS2VjEA84DGEoV6F2v+cK6GrlIBYBl/Dy67UcR fGzagBuFqxUD4bWTJp6DBrZxIeqLLVveodLQLMwGypWOK0OEXHPuBJKDJpzXaTE3GI7Q 3fTw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Lgxpra27UOhiV989BF/vIAb1rNIlOqK0GkCE6i8Lq+0=; b=cWHtTXBy3d6grbkeEhfb5gw4U7W24AxRZI/F9BI5alWksdTHls6U/AVTe6GuX+Ctfi 3EJlnKhpxRW7rftK/aOcUP9C20bwQG9zNhtTkIAVOJA9L5m5EOxip3J6YBq3eX8aphJU nrYlUxlt0zCjKWWg6FbrXGAt7N7L0M27nGOB3iiABogGUn0Opd1uWmIDNopeDBbCEdK/ A+/vvUwV8PNryvsKCQlZVEhqyC8nQmtmzStvJQg3jgrdHoznIdHPtqJn89R9qrRhz+g6 fTC4NBGsmT9oiXA5i9Gr+zalM7lX2ytluHD9FIvnyepbZN33ci39gI2sMbBwJYI+sQMq v/xw== X-Gm-Message-State: AElRT7EQX3wwdMn/uPSw0fC0WGyUIWfxp8ISxR1V22Atz8Ot6oUZXr2X 2w3D/dP4hQE+CNYpzVLRgNaMTMl/gZK4hL7DofZM1g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELsyUbBSG1oS5mOKNpFpw1swl1PCyasuWrmvMbBx4T8KST2cB1Fh9kdVZZ42YZU6D03xSTAILBTioiyoUS2lupI= X-Received: by 10.36.225.10 with SMTP id n10mr15316442ith.99.1520299231906; Mon, 05 Mar 2018 17:20:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: sektie@gmail.com Received: by 10.79.213.217 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Mar 2018 17:20:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201803052247.w25Mkx7l031572@fire.js.berklix.net> References: <55739682-e3d2-52fd-15a5-f89d16e2dcde@FreeBSD.org> <201803052247.w25Mkx7l031572@fire.js.berklix.net> From: Randi Harper Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 17:20:11 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0vYJpaL6Ws7bhcniwYfHuHJz7OE Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD has a politics problem To: "Julian H. Stacey" Cc: Bryan Drewery , "FreeBSD, Advocacy" , Deb Goodkin Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2018 01:20:33 -0000 On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > Read https://www.freebsd.org/internal/code-of-conduct.html > It's a mess of some sense & some ridiculous, force fed to FreeBSD. > Expect some not to like force feeding, or proponents thereof. > Expect forceful opposition to force feeding. > > We're waiting for Deb to say if Foundation paid for CoC ? > > If so, it would be nice if FreeBSD Foundation got a refund for CoC > & spent it on a a student janitor to clear up years old send-pr's. > I agree with the other person's thoughts that FreeBSD fixes uncommited > for years destroys incentive to file more fixes. > > > You know, a lot of things happen in FreeBSD that I don't give a flying fuck about. Research and code is done around hardware and tools that I'll never use, because they don't fit my needs - and that's ok. Generally speaking, despite everything, I generally trust that the FreeBSD Foundation and FreeBSD Core both have the project's health and growth as their top priority. That trust is important, because I'm just a person with my own singular set of experiences and priorities, and I can't know everything that's happening in FreeBSD all the time or make a good judgement call as to what's needed that fits outside of my own focus. I don't complain when donated money is used on tech that I'll never use. This isn't any different. If you think that managing your community should take less of a priority than managing code, then you might want to sit back and think for a bit about why the Foundation and Core would bother with this CoC. If you disagree with the priorities of the project or the foundation, you can always make it your goal to get into a position where you are the one making those decisions. Although I expect that with the amount of experience and time required, by the time this was achieved, you probably would have changed your mind about a few things. I also don't generally advise going to someone on the Foundation and demanding that they provide receipts, especially when CC:ing a mailing list. It's not a good look for you or anyone. Conversations about PRs are great to have. Yes, there's a lot of maintenance work that needs to be done. But tying that to complaining about a CoC is disingenuous at best.