From owner-svn-src-head@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 9 23:40:30 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-head@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B187D21A; Thu, 9 Apr 2015 23:40:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zxy.spb.ru (zxy.spb.ru [195.70.199.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 633F8E41; Thu, 9 Apr 2015 23:40:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slw by zxy.spb.ru with local (Exim 4.84 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1YgM3f-000Fja-2i; Fri, 10 Apr 2015 02:40:27 +0300 Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 02:40:27 +0300 From: Slawa Olhovchenkov To: Dmitry Marakasov Subject: Re: svn commit: r281129 - head/etc Message-ID: <20150409234026.GH1394@zxy.spb.ru> References: <20150406065619.GH74532@zxy.spb.ru> <6A81B952-BA41-4FF2-9215-D7E69EB8C6FE@gmail.com> <20150406071640.GJ23643@zxy.spb.ru> <20150406082553.GW64665@FreeBSD.org> <20150406084141.GK23643@zxy.spb.ru> <20150406084937.GX64665@FreeBSD.org> <20150406085323.GL23643@zxy.spb.ru> <20150409215802.GY21982@hades.panopticon> <20150409220442.GQ8220@zxy.spb.ru> <20150409232711.GZ21982@hades.panopticon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20150409232711.GZ21982@hades.panopticon> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: slw@zxy.spb.ru X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on zxy.spb.ru); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: "svn-src-head@freebsd.org" , "svn-src-all@freebsd.org" , Gleb Smirnoff , "src-committers@freebsd.org" , Garrett Cooper X-BeenThere: svn-src-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the src tree for head/-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2015 23:40:30 -0000 On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 02:27:11AM +0300, Dmitry Marakasov wrote: > * Slawa Olhovchenkov (slw@zxy.spb.ru) wrote: > > > I am talk not about using or not using utf-8. > > I am talk about unconditionaly forcing switch from non-utf8 to utf-8 > > locale (FreeBSD-11 can be get not only be fresh install but and by > > freebsd-update/source update on the live systems, with bunch files > > witch content in koi8 and named in koi8). > > We have to switch sometime, and I say now is a good time. There's > high chance that default login class uses UTF-8 locale at some point > (PC-BSD had that for couple of years already afaik), so the issue > is not limited to russian or russian-utf8. We don't have any default login class, other then 'dafault' and have locale 'C'. What about you talk? > System update is not a problem at all - major branch switch implies > some attention, and converting file encodings or tuning default > locale is just a little part of it. Since the latter is always an > option, there's nothing to talk about here. Do you this converting? I am do it. > I don't think the project can lag behind and stay on crippled legacy > solutions forever just because someone does not want to update. What about you talk? Just create new login class, 'russian_utf8', and have fun. This is not windows. This is Unix. Locale is not system-wide. You can have multiple locales together. What problems? > > Also, some config files (from ports) have raw 8-bit characters inside. > > They'll have to be converted based on OSVERSION/option. You don't understund me. This charters don't have any encodings/locales. This is just octets.