Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 02:40:27 +0300 From: Slawa Olhovchenkov <slw@zxy.spb.ru> To: Dmitry Marakasov <amdmi3@amdmi3.ru> Cc: "svn-src-head@freebsd.org" <svn-src-head@freebsd.org>, "svn-src-all@freebsd.org" <svn-src-all@freebsd.org>, Gleb Smirnoff <glebius@FreeBSD.org>, "src-committers@freebsd.org" <src-committers@freebsd.org>, Garrett Cooper <yaneurabeya@gmail.com> Subject: Re: svn commit: r281129 - head/etc Message-ID: <20150409234026.GH1394@zxy.spb.ru> In-Reply-To: <20150409232711.GZ21982@hades.panopticon> References: <20150406065619.GH74532@zxy.spb.ru> <6A81B952-BA41-4FF2-9215-D7E69EB8C6FE@gmail.com> <20150406071640.GJ23643@zxy.spb.ru> <20150406082553.GW64665@FreeBSD.org> <20150406084141.GK23643@zxy.spb.ru> <20150406084937.GX64665@FreeBSD.org> <20150406085323.GL23643@zxy.spb.ru> <20150409215802.GY21982@hades.panopticon> <20150409220442.GQ8220@zxy.spb.ru> <20150409232711.GZ21982@hades.panopticon>
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On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 02:27:11AM +0300, Dmitry Marakasov wrote: > * Slawa Olhovchenkov (slw@zxy.spb.ru) wrote: > > > I am talk not about using or not using utf-8. > > I am talk about unconditionaly forcing switch from non-utf8 to utf-8 > > locale (FreeBSD-11 can be get not only be fresh install but and by > > freebsd-update/source update on the live systems, with bunch files > > witch content in koi8 and named in koi8). > > We have to switch sometime, and I say now is a good time. There's > high chance that default login class uses UTF-8 locale at some point > (PC-BSD had that for couple of years already afaik), so the issue > is not limited to russian or russian-utf8. We don't have any default login class, other then 'dafault' and have locale 'C'. What about you talk? > System update is not a problem at all - major branch switch implies > some attention, and converting file encodings or tuning default > locale is just a little part of it. Since the latter is always an > option, there's nothing to talk about here. Do you this converting? I am do it. > I don't think the project can lag behind and stay on crippled legacy > solutions forever just because someone does not want to update. What about you talk? Just create new login class, 'russian_utf8', and have fun. This is not windows. This is Unix. Locale is not system-wide. You can have multiple locales together. What problems? > > Also, some config files (from ports) have raw 8-bit characters inside. > > They'll have to be converted based on OSVERSION/option. You don't understund me. This charters don't have any encodings/locales. This is just octets.
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