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From: Peter Mutsaers <plm@xs4all.nl>
To: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey)
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Subject: Re: bisdn
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>> On Sat, 1 Feb 1997 14:15:05 +0100 (MET), Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.de> said:

    GL> Peter Mutsaers writes:
>> > On Mon, 27 Jan 1997 15:42:04 +0100 (MET), Greg Lehey
>> > <grog@lemis.de> said:
    >> 
    GL> Well, to be fair, Gary Jennejohn replied and told me that this
    GL> related to ppp, which I don't use.  I think the problem there
    GL> is that not many people use ppp over here, so it's not
    GL> surprising that it's taking a long time.
    >> 
    >> Yes, that is the problem for most people. I'm surprised that you don't
    >> use PPP! Here all ISP's offer ISDN access only through syncPPP. I
    >> can't even think of another way. If you don't use PPP, then how do you
    >> get TCP/IP over ISDN?

    GL> Why should you need ppp to run IP?  None of the high-speed lines do.
    GL> They run a straight layer 2 protocol--HDLC, in the case of ISDN over
    GL> here.  ppp just adds encapsulation overhead.

Indeed, but in practice, every home user who connects to an ISP needs PPP.
There aren't many that can afford dedicated links.

At least I don't know of any ISP's that offer other ways for
TCP/IP connection.