From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 9 18:40:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB491065672 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 18:40:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fjwcash@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07D6D8FC14 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 18:40:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vcbfk1 with SMTP id fk1so4560203vcb.13 for ; Mon, 09 Jan 2012 10:40:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mGMmp6S/xWmA9rEaecQSzpgXlAlDDQ2uQhRgBL/4TQs=; b=i3EgQJYoG4cTw5FD1lDQQQLuhs6+fTV6lcVBTwRxhc/Lt/Jily/Z3brrE8nThiQdpf qWPFOLu4L0rMDBiyD/eiKcCYzrJuxh0qHDK7HUhME59q8PMopj19zq1N9U2TgsGfjc5p PU8JV3Mq7UJo3pwGfwoBfSBcb4nbEqnXHw/8s= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.221.13.138 with SMTP id pm10mr9754972vcb.60.1326134438328; Mon, 09 Jan 2012 10:40:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.191.130 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 10:40:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20120109143726.GA3185@lonesome.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 10:40:38 -0800 Message-ID: From: Freddie Cash To: FreeBSD current mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: stable/9 still looking for packages at 9-current X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2012 18:40:39 -0000 On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Chris Rees wrote: > On 9 January 2012 18:16, Arnaud Lacombe wrote: >> ok, I'm a stupid lazy user (obviously)... While browsing the ftp, I >> see 9.0 ISOs in a `releases' directory. Do you expect me to consult >> freebsd-announce@, verify the signature of the announce, the hash of >> the ISOs, etc. to consider that 9.0 has been released ? No, I see 9.0 >> ISOs in a `releases' directory, I assume it has been released, >> whatever your spreading process is. >> >> Btw, none of the CHECKSUMS files are signed on the FTP. > > Have you checked the website? The latest supported release is clearly > specified, right in the middle of the home page. > > Please don't tell me you'd look in ftp before checking the website. =C2= =A0I > think you're just looking to nitpick. And, which is worse: 1. tag the release branch, build the ISOs, upload to main FTP server, wait for the mirrors (FTP, CVS, SVN) to sync, then make the official announcement which includes a few days/weeks where "the release" is available but not official; or 2. tag the release branch, build the ISOs, upload to main FTP server, make the official announcement, user goes to their favourite/closest mirror, and can't access the release since it hasn't synced yet I think people would complain a hell of a lot more about 2 than they currently do about 1. Yes, people upgrading via source will see X.Y-RELEASE before it's officially announced on the website/mailing lists. Yes, people browsing ftp.freebsd.org will see X.Y-RELEASE ISOs before it's officially announced. Yes, some users will get confused by seeing X.Y-RELEASE available before the official annoucements. But, that's a lot better than making an annoucement and having users unable to use it since it's not available on their local mirrors. What's annoying, though, is that we have to go through this with every ... single ... minor ... release. It's not a hard concept, yet every time there's a new release, people get confused by it. Is there something that could be done to make it more streamlined/smoother? Maybe, maybe not. Depends. You'd have to want to join the RE team to find out more about the current release/mirror infrastructure. :) And then be willing to put in the time/effort to improve it. :D Does all of Arnaud's complaining and nit-picking constitute a request to volunteer to "fix" things? ;) --=20 Freddie Cash fjwcash@gmail.com