From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 4 14:20:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from foo31-146.visit.se (foo31-146.visit.se [62.119.31.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9260337B405 for ; Sat, 4 May 2002 14:19:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from martin@localhost) by foo31-146.visit.se (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g44LJlt00732; Sat, 4 May 2002 23:19:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from martin) Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 23:19:47 +0200 From: Martin Karlsson To: Andy Sparrow Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: xterm and colour (Was: cvs commit: ports/mail/mutt-devel...) Message-ID: <20020504211946.GB497@foo31-146.visit.se> Mail-Followup-To: Martin Karlsson , Andy Sparrow , stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20020504182649.GA1168@foo31-146.visit.se> <20020504201516.BA9CA3E14@CRWdog.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2JFBq9zoW8cOFH7v" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020504201516.BA9CA3E14@CRWdog.demon.co.uk> X-PGP-Fingerprint: 5970 BE22 2C33 4D8F 53FD 7E34 66FF 9332 9C92 4660 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --2JFBq9zoW8cOFH7v Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable * Andy Sparrow [2002-05-04 16.15 -0400]: > > I put a "real" xterm termcap in front of the freebsd one, and > > rebuilt the termcap.db. Works for me. >=20 > Yes, but... Maintaining local hacks like this is so painful when you've= =20 > accumulated a bunch of them... >=20 > Much nicer to run an freshly-sup'd version without local hacks. =20 Yes indeed. > > > I run so few color-based text apps that it's not worth the hassle to = sort it=20 > > > out (although it is somewhat irritating that we appear to be Doing It= Wrong,=20 > > > after it used to work). > >=20 > > I agree. >=20 > Why is this happening anyway? Last thread I saw on the topic turned into = a=20 > clash of commiter privs (as in "I have them, it'll be this way"). =20 Beats me. It's sad, though. > Most people want to have local xterms Just Work. In mono by default, but= =20 > display color if you run up sysinstall/mutt/ports dialog etc. in an xterm. >=20 > They also want remote xterms to display correctly on their local screens. Yep. > This used to work perfectly with the color customizations in ~/.Xdefaults= and=20 > Xterm-color (an acceptable hack, IMHO), but this no longer works. >=20 > Setting TERM=3Dxterm-color (or some other wonky, non-standard value) to g= et this=20 > is not really acceptable (for me at least). [...snip...] =20 > I think I've just talked myself into doing the local hack - but it seems= =20 > unnecessary to me, and it pains me when other people say of my favorite O= S: >=20 > : The xterm-color value for $TERM is a bad choice for XFree86 xterm=20 > : because it is commonly used for a terminfo entry which happens to=20 > : not support bce. Complicating matters, FreeBSD (after dithering for=20 > : a few years on the matter) has a bastardized version which implies=20 > : the opposite sense of bce, (because it uses SGR 39 and 49), but=20 > : does not set it.=20 =20 And if a FreeBSD-user asks on a non-freebsd list (something like "Hi, I run freebsd-4.x, how do I get foo to show colour in an xterm?"), and you reply "xterm-color yadda yadda blah", Thomas Dickey appear instantly, pointing his finger saying "FreeBSD is bad!" Not Fun(TM). > Present behaviour just seems flat-out wrong to me. It sure does. Who is responsible? The port (XFree86 ?) maintainer? Someone else? Do you think sending some polite e-mails to The Right Person(TM) would help? Just my 0.02 Swedish Krona --=20 Martin Karlsson - 0x9C924660 --2JFBq9zoW8cOFH7v Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE81FByZv+TMpySRmARAnIAAJ47iEUp+1HCFsHvccBNHlGaEpS08QCfWvFC GJMS0HnPIMbfZvNAih1auYY= =s3Ma -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2JFBq9zoW8cOFH7v-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message