From owner-svn-src-head@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 12 14:33:55 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-head@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F30E61065670; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:33:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexander@leidinger.net) Received: from mail.ebusiness-leidinger.de (mail.ebusiness-leidinger.de [217.11.53.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83D158FC16; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:33:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from outgoing.leidinger.net (pD9E2D538.dip.t-dialin.net [217.226.213.56]) by mail.ebusiness-leidinger.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CD1A18453C9; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:33:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail.leidinger.net (webmail.leidinger.net [192.168.1.102]) by outgoing.leidinger.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E538654F8; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:33:45 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=Leidinger.net; s=outgoing-alex; t=1268404426; bh=QLB1Pkk0mqcplmMLNiahdnq8vmZ8gZunXDkLZ3yfTjE=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=B56BI+JfC3yqBo3eBi3d4u9W9FwJzXnNOItxg7i7Hn3zbr4rD8arDNEM2sDL+a8lG iN6QXUANuRgYBiIHTl3GRE4SXH7I260jy4c95I7vs1+CIpW+w14CV15VGQCq0OUmKh Mmk85iN7mKLr4RqkwDIorzIi8vackKcd4tuna098iHMUSFvGCn/VR5dT0Cb8P/4l5z G1YWTF2jv3cpp32fynieBtztaEiGtnK9ww6NnIAiL4qqB6PaV1Qim3Y3J0JtY7dffJ SDP21PJbmVpLUwLl6vz9eLbB2S0w0jfRyEkVqCzzQsVBCURNLIdvYtpfVt4wBZdzhz 64zNWsV6W/fhQ== Received: (from www@localhost) by webmail.leidinger.net (8.14.3/8.13.8/Submit) id o2CEXj6E079619; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:33:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from pslux.cec.eu.int (pslux.cec.eu.int [158.169.9.14]) by webmail.leidinger.net (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:33:45 +0100 Message-ID: <20100312153345.21115ph4yoc1ip8o@webmail.leidinger.net> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:33:45 +0100 From: Alexander Leidinger To: Rui Paulo References: <201003111449.o2BEn6QY069179@svn.freebsd.org> <3F878223-7A35-4A27-9DA8-92239C635EC1@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <3F878223-7A35-4A27-9DA8-92239C635EC1@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Dynamic Internet Messaging Program (DIMP) H3 (1.1.4) X-EBL-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-EBL-MailScanner-ID: CD1A18453C9.8D359 X-EBL-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-EBL-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, spamhaus-ZEN, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-1.363, required 6, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.44, DKIM_SIGNED 0.00, DKIM_VERIFIED -0.00, TW_SV 0.08) X-EBL-MailScanner-From: alexander@leidinger.net X-EBL-MailScanner-Watermark: 1269009229.35378@Vd8pwRG8Zf3bMEL/5HaTVg X-EBL-Spam-Status: No Cc: svn-src-head@FreeBSD.org, svn-src-all@FreeBSD.org, src-committers@FreeBSD.org, Nathan Whitehorn Subject: Re: svn commit: r205014 - in head: . sys/amd64/amd64 sys/amd64/conf sys/amd64/include sys/amd64/linux32 sys/compat/freebsd32 sys/compat/ia32 sys/conf sys/fs/procfs sys/ia64/conf sys/ia64/ia64 sys/ia64/... X-BeenThere: svn-src-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the src tree for head/-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:33:55 -0000 Quoting Rui Paulo (from Fri, 12 Mar 2010 22:52:27 +0900): > > On 12 Mar 2010, at 21:36, Carlos A. M. dos Santos wrote: > >> On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Nathan Whitehorn >> wrote: >>> Author: nwhitehorn >>> Date: Thu Mar 11 14:49:06 2010 >>> New Revision: 205014 >>> URL: http://svn.freebsd.org/changeset/base/205014 >>> >>> Log: >>> Provide groundwork for 32-bit binary compatibility on non-x86 platforms, >>> for upcoming 64-bit PowerPC and MIPS support. This renames the COMPAT_IA32 >>> option to COMPAT_FREEBSD32, removes some IA32-specific code from MI parts >>> of the kernel and enhances the freebsd32 compatibility code to support >>> big-endian platforms. >> >> COMPAT_FREEBSD32 is an unfortunate choice. It can be easily >> interpreted as "compatible with FreeBSD 3.2". Something like >> "COMPAT_32BIT" would be more meaningful. > > There's a lengthy discussion about this on another mailing list. > > This is unlikely to be changed and emailing the committer who > provided valuable time on this code wastes his time and everyone > else's. As someone "outside of the box" (I do not care which name is used), I have to say that the current influx of mails regarding this is some kind of indication that there are POLA implications ahead or if you want to have a buzzword, it looks to me like people think the usability of the COMPAT_FREEBSD* stuff was lowered by this, respectively the userfriendlyness degraded, or with again some different words, the COMPAT_FREEBSD* options are not intuitive to use anymore. When I look at our man-pages or the handbook, it looks like one of the goals is to make a feature easy (relative to the complexity of the topic) to use. I do not care much about what you (plural) do about this, but to me it looks like the fastest way to not waste more time with this is to change the name to something less ambiguous compared to what the other COMPAT_FREEBSD* options do. Bye, Alexander. -- My weight is perfect for my height -- which varies. http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander @ Leidinger.net: PGP ID = B0063FE7 http://www.FreeBSD.org netchild @ FreeBSD.org : PGP ID = 72077137