Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:44:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen Hovey <shovey@buffnet.net> To: Willie Viljoen <will@highveldcs.com> Cc: Kirk Vorsatz <kcv@hallkinion.com>, fscked@pacbell.net, Tom Creighton <tcreighton@hallkinion.com>, freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Job for Sr Linux Sys Admin with NT, Oracle and Masters Degree Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.10208281839540.1277-100000@buffnet11.buffnet.net> In-Reply-To: <20020829000349.H417-100000@phoenix.home.laserfence.net>
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All want ads for personnel shoot for the stars. Its the best/closest of who puts in that gets the job. Thats why one should never be discouraged from submitting a resume to something that sounds interesting, where one has most or many of the skills requested. For most wantads, the unrealistic criteria serve to weed out the total losers, and to garner interesting and varied responses. There is also that one truth - that if you arent an actual computer industry 'doer' you really dont have a grip on the labels, words, and duties. (which is another reason to not be discouraged in submitting a resume - the guy who listed the wantads is using terms without an inside view in many cases) On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Willie Viljoen wrote: > I admit the conclusion I chose to jump to was way off the mark, but while > I'm busy having my foot surgically removed from my mouth, perhaps the > circles of corporate corner office elite may want to explore what is known > to the common man as realism, a concept which seems to be frighteningly > alien to most people in any industry today. > > To be frank (and I know I'll be hate-mailed by many people about this), if > I were to find someone with a masters degree still working as a system > administrator, respect would not be what I feel toward him, it would > really be more along the lines of pity. > > The truth is, sysadmin is a fairly junior position in the IT industry (if > there are any sysadmins reading which I didn't just offend deeply, I > apologize to you all sincerely). I'm not implying that anyone can do it, > a good sysadmin needs to be creative, and have lots of initiative, it's > just that I feel anybody in the IT industry who has a masters behind is > name, is much better suited to a research post at Berkeley, than making > sure a couple of NT machines behave nicely. > > Lastly, I want you all to accept this comment in the same spirit with > which I wrote it, just as I had hoped all concerned would do when > receiving my previous post, most specifically Kirk, I never intended to > insult you with that post, or question your abilities as a recruiter, but > any computer geek with any self respect left in him would be damned to > pass up such a sterling opportunity to make fun of successful people :-) > > Will > > On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Kirk Vorsatz wrote: > > > I have been recruiting for a very long time. You can see from my signature that I have been a top performer for several years at Hall kinion......let me explain to you the importance of the Master's degree to this position..... > > > > The company is a 15 year old financial company that has the #1 debt collateralization product in the Stock Trading industry. There location here in CA has roughly 20 people with at least 12+ developers that have Masters of PHD's in Mathematics.... the company is ran from a development point of view. Development has never held much regard for anyone in IT- there philosophy is if it works that is all that matters. Rather than have there database run optimally they would rather by new boxes. They are using EXE as the backup. The reason for the Master's degree is to help gain the respect of these developers as well as someone with a Master's will understand IT issues from the developers perspective. > > > > Running NT on the Desktop is only part of the position. The challenge is rearchitecting a 24X7 Linux Oracle environment that already exists and works today while explaining to the developers that a system in their eyes that works is not optimal in the future. I welcome your remarks..... > > > > Kirk C. Vorsatz > > Sr. Executive Technical Recruiter > > Recruiter of the Year 2000 > > Top 5 Recruiter 1999, 2000, 2001 > > Chairman's Club Winner, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001 > > Hall Kinion Direct-Hire Division > > > > > > KCV@hallkinion.com > > 1-888-682-6400 ext 218 > > 650-345-5600 ext 218 > > 650-245-7043 cell > > > > " Work With The Best ! " > > > > > > > > >>> richard childers <fscked@pacbell.net> 08/28/02 07:22AM >>> > > My point exactly. > > > > Points to Willie for thinking clearly. > > > > > > -- richard > > > > > > Willie Viljoen wrote: > > > > > Richard, > > > > > > At the risk of jumping to conclusions, I think there's probably some > > > confusion here, a masters degree is probably not what they are looking for > > > at all. > > > > > > It's a common misconception that people have about the MCSE, a diploma > > > issued by Microsoft, stating that the holder is qualified to operate a > > > Windows NT-based network. Because of a lack of non-technical information > > > about the diploma, many people become confused, and because of the "M" in > > > the title, the acronym has been contstrued to mean many interesting > > > (incorrect) things, including "Masters in Computer Systems Engineering", > > > ofcourse, it really means "Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer". > > > > > > I'm thinking there may have been some miscommunication somewhere along the > > > lines where an MCSE turned into a Masters :) > > > > > > An MCSE is probably the likely thing the company would want, seeing as > > > they are using NT machines. > > > > > > Somebody with a masters shouldn't be working as a sysadmin, that would > > > just be wrong :) > > > > > > Will > > > > > > On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, richard childers wrote: > > > > > > > Some people might suggest that Linux has hardly been around long enough > > > > to someone to *become* a so-called 'senior Linux administrator'. > > > > > > > > What constitutes 'seniority' in Linux? > > > > > > > > And what does the master's degree have to be in? > > > > > > > > Inquiring minds want to know. (-: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours for reasonable requirements, > > > > > > > > > > > > -- richard > > > > > > > > > > > > Kirk Vorsatz wrote: > > > > > > > > > I have a fantastic fulltime opportunity for a Linux system admin at a > > > > > 15 year old company where you would be the sol.e IT person responsible > > > > > for all Desktop (NT and Exchange) as well as overseeing Oracle > > > > > servers....... Please email me if interested.... Kirk C. Vorsatz > > > > > Sr. Executive Technical Recruiter > > > > > Recruiter of the Year 2000 > > > > > Top 5 Recruiter 1999, 2000, 2001 > > > > > Chairman's Club Winner, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001 > > > > > Hall Kinion Direct-Hire Division > > > > > KCV@hallkinion.com > > > > > 1-888-682-6400 ext 218 > > > > > 650-345-5600 ext 218 > > > > > 650-245-7043 cell " Work With The Best ! " > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Richard A Childers/KG6HAC -- Senor UNIX System & Network Administrator > > > > "Dont forget nothing." Maj Rogers, standing orders, 1st Ranger Bn, 1759 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Willie Viljoen > > > Highveld Computing Solutions > > > > > > 214 Paul Kruger Avenue > > > Universitas > > > Bloemfontein > > > 9321 > > > > > > South Africa > > > > > > +27 51 522 15 60, a/h +27 51 522 44 36 > > > +27 82 404 03 27 > > > > > > will@highveldcs.com > > > > > > To find out how we can help you with inventive solutions, visit > > > http://www.highveldcs.com/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message > > > > -- > > > > Richard A Childers/KG6HAC -- Senor UNIX System & Network Administrator > > "Dont forget nothing." Maj Rogers, standing orders, 1st Ranger Bn, 1759 > > > > -- > Willie Viljoen > Highveld Computing Solutions > > 214 Paul Kruger Avenue > Universitas > Bloemfontein > 9321 > > South Africa > > +27 51 522 15 60, a/h +27 51 522 44 36 > +27 82 404 03 27 > > will@highveldcs.com > > To find out how we can help you with inventive solutions, visit > http://www.highveldcs.com/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message
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