From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 25 05:55:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE0BD16A406 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 05:55:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mwm-keyword-freebsdhackers2.e313df@mired.org) Received: from mired.org (bhuda.mired.org [66.92.153.74]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 752F213C448 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 05:55:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mwm-keyword-freebsdhackers2.e313df@mired.org) Received: (qmail 25595 invoked by uid 1001); 25 Feb 2008 05:54:31 -0000 Received: from bhuda.mired.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by bhuda.mired.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 00:54:30 -0500 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 00:54:29 -0500 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20080225005429.38f0c91a@bhuda.mired.org> In-Reply-To: <47C2520C.5080100@elischer.org> References: <20080223123556.3eee709d@bhuda.mired.org> <20080223.110047.-397883947.imp@bsdimp.com> <20080223131937.182373b2@bhuda.mired.org> <20080223.120546.74701383.imp@bsdimp.com> <20080223155355.3f80b77f@bhuda.mired.org> <47C2520C.5080100@elischer.org> Organization: Meyer Consulting X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.9.1 (GTK+ 2.10.12; amd64-portbld-freebsd6.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.11 (Ladyburn) From: Mike Meyer Subject: Re: find -lname and -ilname implemented X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 05:55:46 -0000 On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 21:28:44 -0800 Julian Elischer wrote: > It's been in my tradition for Unix developement since 1986 when I > first joined comp.unix It has happened. But from my perspective, what happened going from v6 to v7 tends to be the rule, and your tradition is the exception. > If you saw what Warner and others have to do to in battling the Linux > hordes, you'd also be looking to remove all the trivial complaints > that are made as excuses to not use BSD. No, I wouldn't. You're assuming that popularity is inherently a good thing, which is a common misconception I don't share. More accurately, I don't believe that popularity is in and of itself a good thing, to be catered to at all costs. Makes me wonder if there's a connection between GNU distros treating their users like idiots and those same users not being able to see beyond the trivialities. > I think that we have to make a conscious decision as a project to > acknowledge the position we find ourselves in WRT 3rd party software > and make moves to lower the barriers to entry as much as we can. Um, if FreeBSD has to become GNU in order to win GNU users, what's the point? Skip the pain, switch to GNU, and get the popularity you want and the platform you deserve with no delay. Of course, since GNU is well on the way to becoming Windows in order to get people to switch to GNU from Windows, maybe we should just skip a step and start catering to Windows users? After all, there are an order of magnitude more of them... http://www.mired.org/consulting.html Independent Network/Unix/Perforce consultant, email for more information.