From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 9 06:50:23 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E842216A4CE for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 06:50:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6428D43D1D for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 06:50:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i29EoMUA029899; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 16:50:22 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from localhost (narvi@localhost)i29EoIOh029896; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 16:50:18 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 16:50:18 +0200 (EET) From: Narvi To: Willie Viljoen In-Reply-To: <200403091529.14762.will@unfoldings.net> Message-ID: <20040309163120.L68396@haldjas.folklore.ee> References: <20040308210331.CDPV20549.tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp.bellnexxia.net> <200403091529.14762.will@unfoldings.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=8.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on haldjas.folklore.ee cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Desktop FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 14:50:24 -0000 On Tue, 9 Mar 2004, Willie Viljoen wrote: > On Tuesday 09 March 2004 15:13, someone, possibly Narvi, wrote: > > On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 dashevil@sympatico.ca wrote: > > > I am against Joe Sixpack using FreeBSD. The reason I would argue for a > > > > 8-( > > > > so you would freebsd always be a fringe os? > > It's not a fringe OS anyway. Why does an OS have to be used by Joe Schmo and > Harry Desktop in order to be a mainstream OS? > > Computer don't just come in desktops you know, some of us actually like using > them for servers. As far as its use in the server market goes, FreeBSD, IMHO, > has Windows and Linux well and truly outgunned. > Not in numbers by any means. > Together with NetBSD and OpenBSD, the *BSD family infact, is in many cases > considered and used as a viable alternative to Solaris. > And like with Solaris, if anything, the marketshare is decreasing. > That's what KDE and GNOME are for, to add desktops to UNIX operating systems, > the operative word being "add". UNIXes were never meant to be desktops. > Adding a desktop to a UNIX is a great idea as it opens up UNIX to a new > market, but that's still no case for turning UNIX itself into a desktop > system. > > If that happens, FreeBSD would probably lose out all the market share it has > built up in the server market, since nobody wants to install a 300MB GUI in a > thin server. Huh? you are completely off your rocker - being able to do a desktop install - and having the OS behave rationaly in a desktop environment does not in any way maen that it needs to always install X. It means no more or less that when on a desktop machine, the OS should behave apprropriately, including automaticly detectinga nd loading sound, finding mouse, having a resonable set of desktop apps installed, using a printing system and so on. > > Please, before you write off an OS, consider all possible uses for it. If you > must, atleast rephrase and call it a "fringe desktop." > > If being useful for one specific thing is all we can classify an OS's worth > by, then let's turn it around and look at the server market, then by your > argument, Windows becomes a fringe OS :-) > Windows is not a fringe server OS - do you know what percenatge of worldwide servers - whetever web or not are running windows? This is not 1995 any more. > Will > > -- > Willie Viljoen > Freelance IT Consultant > > 214 Paul Kruger Avenue > Universitas > 9321 > South Africa > > +27 (51) 522 15 60 > +27 (82) 404 03 27 > > will@unfoldings.net >