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NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.65)[0.653]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmx.de,none]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmx.de:s=s31663417]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:212.227.17.0/27]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[212.227.17.22:from]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-arch@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_ALL(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_REPLYTO(0.00)[gmx.de]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[212.227.17.22:from]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-arch@freebsd.org]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[garyj@gmx.de]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmx.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmx.de:+]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmx.de]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4NC05K2xhnz436l X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 10:58:04 -0700 Warner Losh wrote: > On Tue, Nov 15, 2022 at 10:52 AM Steve Kargl < > sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 15, 2022 at 10:37:36AM -0700, Warner Losh wrote: > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > > > > Is there a list of effected drivers? Grepping /var/run/dmesg.boot > > on my system shows only "atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED]". A scan of atkbd(4) > > shows > > > > This driver is required for the console driver syscons(4) or vt(4). > > > > So, setting debug.giant_drivers=3D1 will brick all FreeBSD workstation= s? > > > > You could still access them via serial port or the network. > > And I think USB-based systems would be fine. The comment you quoted is > slightly overstated. > > And yes, the point is to show the pain and get people to get off their != $#^ > and do something if they care. > I use a USB keyboard and a USB mouse. On my machine I see: grep -i giant /var/run/dmesg.boot WARNING: Device "consolectl" is Giant locked and may be deleted before FreeBSD 14.0. /dev/consolectl is used by both syscons and vt. Exactly what consolectl is used for I can't say, since there's no man page. =2D- Gary Jennejohn