From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 10:12:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B0EB16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:12:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from royk.itea.ntnu.no (royk.itea.ntnu.no [129.241.190.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3D5B43D3F for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:12:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from svein-freebsd-questions@theloosingend.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by royk.itea.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 658F46719B for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:12:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from maren.thelosingend.net (m190d.studby.ntnu.no [129.241.131.190]) by royk.itea.ntnu.no (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:12:19 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 86089 invoked by uid 1001); 8 Feb 2005 10:12:19 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 8 Feb 2005 10:12:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:12:19 +0100 (CET) From: Svein Halvor Halvorsen X-X-Sender: sveinhal@maren.thelosingend.net To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <20050207195715.GE82997@keyslapper.net> Message-ID: <20050208105203.O85721@maren.thelosingend.net> References: <200502051745.25937.hindrich@worldchat.com> <20050207091209.D71459@maren.thelosingend.net> <20050207195715.GE82997@keyslapper.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Content-Scanned: with sophos and spamassassin at mailgw.ntnu.no. Subject: Re: Electricity bill [was: Re: Leaving a Computer Running ?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:12:22 -0000 * Louis LeBlanc [2005-02-07 14:57 -0500] > I'm coming into this thread a bit late, but if you go to : > You'll see a neat little gadget that will tell you exactly what your > computers electrical usage is. I'm not saying that leaving your computer on 24/7 consumes little power. I'm just saying that in Norway (where I live) and in Sweden (where the person I replied to seems to live) how much power used by your computers is irrelevant. This is true because: 1) Our house need to be heated a lot (more than the computer can provide) 2) Other heatsources are also based on electricity 3) Other heatsources are thermostatically controlled. In this setup, you need to warm up your house somehow. Since *all* energy in the end turns to thermic energy (elementary physics), the route this energy takes from moving electrons to heats is of little interest (when you're just looking to heat up your house). I could open my refrigerator door and it would not show up on my electricity bill (of course all my food would be wasted, so it would show up on my food budget). Or I could pass electrons through an electric resistance which generates heat (which is what most people do[1]), or I could turn on alot of light bulbs[2], or listen to music[2] and turn it up real loud. -- OR -- I could leave my computer on and get some extra use out of those moving electrons on their way from electric energy to thermic energy. Personally, I use a combination of all these. And the extra heating I need after turning on all my appliances, my thermostatically controlled electric wall heating takes care of. Of course, all of this is not true if your house does not needs to be heated that much most of the year. Svein Halvor [1] Note that in Norway all elecrticity is made from hydroelectric power plants, and not by burning fossil fuel, which is why alot of people don't use electric heating and not wood burning stoves and such. [2] Of course your house needs to be sound and light insulated as well, to ensure that no sounds or light escapes your house, in order for these two scenarios to work. Otherwise some of the energy would be transformed to heat outside your house, and in which case it would show up on your bill. It therefore makes sense to use those energy conserving light bulbs also in Norway and other cold countries.