From owner-freebsd-jail@freebsd.org Sun Jun 12 16:28:08 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-jail@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 902BAAF12CA for ; Sun, 12 Jun 2016 16:28:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list1@gjunka.com) Received: from msa1.earth.yoonka.com (yoonka.com [185.24.122.233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "msa1.earth.yoonka.com", Issuer "msa1.earth.yoonka.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D52F26D3 for ; Sun, 12 Jun 2016 16:28:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list1@gjunka.com) Received: from crayon2.yoonka.com (crayon2.yoonka.com [192.168.1.20]) (authenticated bits=0) by msa1.earth.yoonka.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id u5CGS5nP036502 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 12 Jun 2016 16:28:06 GMT (envelope-from list1@gjunka.com) Subject: Re: qjail or qjail2? To: freebsd-jail@freebsd.org References: <6d708ff4-de99-bfc5-f2d7-2568fa368256@gjunka.com> <20160612130722.GC41922@home.opsec.eu> <3fe16418-124d-d591-043e-9aad854e7df8@gjunka.com> <575D8358.2070508@gmail.com> From: Grzegorz Junka Message-ID: <7b5e74b1-4c77-f9e6-056b-d4c91cbf961f@gjunka.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 16:28:05 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <575D8358.2070508@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-jail@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about FreeBSD jail\(8\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 16:28:08 -0000 On 12/06/2016 15:44, Ernie Luzar wrote: > Grzegorz Junka wrote: >> >> On 12/06/2016 13:07, Kurt Jaeger wrote: >>> Hi! >>> >>>> Which qjail should I use, qjail 4.7 or qjail2 2.2? Does the qjail >>>> project have any documentation apart from >>>> http://qjail.sourceforge.net/? >>> qjail, as qjail2 is a non-longer updated version of qjail, as >>> far as I understand. >>> >> >> Both have some recent changes in their respective SVN branches: >> https://www.freshports.org/sysutils/qjail >> https://www.freshports.org/sysutils/qjail2 >> >> And both don't seem to have received too many updates recently. > > For your info www.freshports.org is really not the official place to > inquire about freebsd ports. The content of your post shows you got > incorrect info. > > If you had read the SVN "long description" of qjail2 you will see this > "This is the last version that handles both the 8.x and 9.x install > media formats." Thats why it has no updates. Its just a version of > qjail that has been frozen in time to support the old format of > install media for freebsd versions that reach EOL in December this year. > https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/sysutils/qjail2/pkg-descr?revision=HEAD > > > The "long description" of qjail says this > "This qjail version is not intended for RELEASES older than > RELEASE-10.0." > https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/sysutils/qjail/pkg-descr?revision=HEAD > > > And if you check the qjail change log you will see qjail does indeed > have resent updates. > https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/sysutils/qjail/?view=log > > So to answer your original question. > > The documentation is installed with qjail when qjail is installed. > As far as to what version to install is totally dependent on which > version of Freebsd your running on your host. > For 9.3 and older use qjail2. For 10.0 and newer use qjail. The SVN > "long description" is real clear about that. > Sorry, but I will have to disagree with "The SVN 'long description' is real clear about that.". If it was real clear then I wouldn't bother asking on this list and taking your time and others. BTW the svnweb links you posted show exactly the same messages as freshports, and I didn't say that qjail doesn't have recent updates. I said that both of them have been updated recently. I read the note "This is the last version that handles both the 8.x and 9.x install media formats." but apparently understood it differently than intended. First of all, I don't know what is a media format, especially 8.x and 9.x media format. Since I don't use one my take on that was that it's not applicable to me. Since that version of qjail supports something that I don't care about, I just look at the remaining of the message, which is the same for both versions, hence the confusion. I also read the note for qjail that it "is not intended for RELEASES older than RELEASE-10.0.", which is fine since I run release 10.3. So here you go, there is qjail2 that supports some exotic media format, and qjail that supports FreeBSD RELEASE-10.0 and newer. How should I go about deciding which one to use? It would certainly help if: - the version of qjail supporting legacy systems was named qjail0 rather than qjail2 - or the version of qjail supporting FreeBSD RELEASE-10.0 was named qjail3 (or qjail4 since 4 is its minor revision now) - or/and the message for qjail2 simply stated: "This version supports FreeBSD RELEASE 8.x and 9.x. For RELEASE 10.0 and newer use qjail." Many thanks for the clarification. Grzegorz