From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Sep 28 17:53:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69EE315783 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:53:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by lariat.lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18927; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 18:53:01 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990928184900.04799cc0@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 18:52:45 -0600 To: Terry Lambert From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: On hub.freebsd.org refusing to talk to dialups Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, alk@pobox.com, gary@eyelab.psy.msu.edu, chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199909290047.RAA16032@usr07.primenet.com> References: <4.2.0.58.19990928184147.047569c0@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 12:47 AM 9/29/99 +0000, Terry Lambert wrote: >> We are actually more sophisticated than many for-profit ISPs. >Sophistication != Complexity. > >Many ISPs have complex setups, which preclude simply implementing >the draconian measures you advocate implementing "across the board". Ah, but they're not draconian. Our membership overwhelmingly favored them. >For many ISPs, there is no "across the board", or the number of >service classes is so large that you can not easily divide all >of the machines into a role per service class. We have multiple levels of membership -- analogous to the "service classes" of a for-profit ISP. And some of those levels leave the decision to filter (or not to) up to the member. The only complaint we have ever had: One member with a fixed IP and a "nailed-up" dialup line recently complained that we were NOT fltering for them. We went over one day, during lunch hour, and helped them set up their server to do so. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message