From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 17 13:11:07 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD27B16A4CF for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:11:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from fisk.demonized.net (h97n2fls33o834.telia.com [213.66.186.97]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA02C43D2F for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:11:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from manlix@demonized.net) Received: from beard.demonized.net (beard.demonized.net [172.22.1.2]) by fisk.demonized.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i2HLBCLQ012986; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 22:11:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from manlix@demonized.net) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 22:11:05 +0100 From: Johan Pettersson To: Brad Knowles Message-Id: <20040317221105.70f233be.manlix@demonized.net> In-Reply-To: References: <20040315134745.1eb201f4.manlix@demonized.net> <20040315125121.GC91150@abc.123.org> <20040315135725.3cc70f97.manlix@demonized.net> <20040317110938.GA86023@dragon.nuxi.com> <20040317124232.617db171.manlix@demonized.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.10 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: dev-null@NUXI.com cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pkg-based base system. X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 21:11:07 -0000 On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 18:51:31 +0100 Brad Knowles wrote: > On virtually every Unix system I've ever administered over the > past fifteen years, there have been parts to the system that I didn't > like. So, I brought in something else, and set that up. You can do > the same here, and the ports system tries to make that as easy as > possible. If you want to build from source, there are a whole bunch > of "NO_" targets that have been defined so that you don't even build > those parts of the system if you don't want them (and don't want to > run the risk that updating them will overwrite your current config). > > But I don't see why we have to try to force-fit all OSes in the > world into the Linux package-for-everything model. On any FreeBSD > system I ever touch, I expect certain things to be in there, and I > don't want to see things like vi no being available anywhere on the > system because my insane predecessor was an emacs fanatic. > Basic unix-tools for administration should be there. And package based base-system maybe isnt so good at all. But something that removes sendmail when running make installworld if NO_SENDMAIL is set in make.conf