From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 10 02:12:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: arch@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.freebsd.org [69.147.83.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D79D5106566C for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 02:12:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (hub.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::36]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC74814D8C4; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 02:12:06 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <504D4C76.6080205@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2012 19:12:06 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Erich Dollansky References: <20120908234659.GA10489@server.rulingia.com> <504BD9B5.20001@shatow.net> <504BE020.1070300@FreeBSD.org> <504BE12A.50907@shatow.net> <9A528A3C-40F1-4599-ACAB-EF306033A4F2@bsdimp.com> <86pq5vtj42.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20120910065532.3f029c4b@X220.ovitrap.com> <504D2DCD.8030508@FreeBSD.org> <20120910075241.3994a95e@X220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: <20120910075241.3994a95e@X220.ovitrap.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.4 OpenPGP: id=1A1ABC84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: arch@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Removing CVS from HEAD X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 02:12:54 -0000 On 9/9/2012 5:52 PM, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, 09 Sep 2012 17:01:17 -0700 > Doug Barton wrote: > >> On 9/9/2012 4:55 PM, Erich Dollansky wrote: >>> I would suggest to keep it in the system and announce its end when >>> older system like 8.x or 9.x are at the end of their life time. >> >> I think you misunderstand the proposal. No one is suggesting removing >> CVS from FreeBSD 7, 8, or 9. It will _only_ be removed from what is >> now HEAD, which will eventually be 10.0-RELEASE. >> > this is how I understand it. The problem I see is from the end-user > perspective. They will upgrade to 10 and suddenly everything they > developed stops working. You keep conveniently removing the parts of my posts where I point out that CVS is now, and will remain, available from ports for those users. And in the next few years there will be, as there already have been; numerous announcements about the value of moving to subversion, new mirrors, etc. > I would suggest to start from the infrastructure side by getting more > mirrors for the new system while phasing the mirrors for the old system > out. That's already in play, and will continue to improve in the years before we even have a 10.0-RELEASE, never mind before it gets wide adoption. > Users are then not forced to make the sudden change. They won't be. > Please do not tell me that they should read UPDATING. They only will > after they ran into trouble. If they miss all the memos about moving to subversion, that won't be our fault. :) > The moment you take out the knob off you also take out all CVS mirros. This is quite simply untrue. Doug -- I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do something. And I will not let what I cannot do interfere with what I can do. -- Edward Everett Hale, (1822 - 1909)