From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 25 5: 3:28 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11ABE37B401 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 05:03:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from haakonia.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (haakonia.hitnet.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.181.92]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20B9343FAF for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 05:03:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris@unixpages.org) Received: from gondor.middleearth (gondor.middleearth [192.168.1.42]) by haakonia.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77040ABC9; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:03:23 +0100 (CET) Received: by gondor.middleearth (Postfix, from userid 1001) id EF458460C; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:03:22 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:03:22 +0100 From: Christian Brueffer To: Kurt Bigler Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: website suggestions re ports and packages Message-ID: <20030225130322.GB586@unixpages.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="gatW/ieO32f1wygP" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT X-PGP-Key: http://people.freebsd.org/~brueffer/brueffer.key.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: A5C8 2099 19FF AACA F41B B29B 6C76 178C A0ED 982D Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --gatW/ieO32f1wygP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Feb 24, 2003 at 07:32:32PM -0800, Kurt Bigler wrote: >=20 > Thanks. I eventually found that page again. >=20 > For the website maintainers, I have some updated observations from my > browsing experience. >=20 > When I first went browsing, I immediately saw the "Run a huge number of > applications" title. The text there contained an applications link, which > took me to: >=20 > http://www.FreeBSD.org/applications.html >=20 > Fairly prominent on that pages is a paragraph with two embedded links > packages collection > and > ports collection >=20 > I clicked on packages collection which is what I was most interested in. > This took me to http://www.FreeBSD.org/where.html, a page with two sectio= ns > entitled >=20 > The Packages collection >=20 > and >=20 > The Ports collection >=20 > and the information there makes it sound as if the two collections are > mutually exclusive. But the information there was also incomplete based = on > my memory of having once read a more verbose description comparing and > contrasing packages and ports, which led me to writing my previous email. >=20 > I certainly never expected to find more information about BOTH packages a= nd > ports by going back to the home page and clicking on the Ported Applicati= ons > link, although I eventually did this by mistake, and it turns out that th= at > page >=20 > http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/index.html >=20 > contains more information about both ports and packages, and also describ= ed > that packages are kind of special case of ports. And this was the page I > had been looking for, well-hidden right out in the open given that I was > more interested in packages and so keep steering away from "ports". >=20 > Curiously there is no link to this very helpful page under "The Ports > collection" heading on the where.html page. >=20 > I think you can see how an attempt to find information can be thwarted by > the current structure. Basically instead of having little tutorial-like > sections scattered around in a fairly unstructured and semi-redundant way, > it would be good if the actual structure of the information were made more > explicit. For example instead of having two pages that introduce both > packages and ports with related kinds of description but containing > different information (and in fact conflicting points of view), it would = be > better to have one single place that introduces both packages and ports. > This page should ideally be hard to avoid in any browsing for information= on > either topic. >=20 > Please let me know if further clarification would be helpful. (Again, > please email directly since I am not currently a list member.) >=20 > Thanks, > Kurt Bigler >=20 I just looked over where.html and there a a couple of dead links anyway. I'll have a look at it and add some pointers to the pages that actually describe ports/packages. Thanks for the hints. - Christian --=20 Christian Brueffer chris@unixpages.org brueffer@FreeBSD.org GPG Key: http://people.freebsd.org/~brueffer/brueffer.key.asc GPG Fingerprint: A5C8 2099 19FF AACA F41B B29B 6C76 178C A0ED 982D --gatW/ieO32f1wygP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+W2mabHYXjKDtmC0RArgjAJwM0Sd2is+/Uh/C6qF8Ghm+fh2lFwCcDgvH mkuL4NZIHlcy4UcNGvnNNBk= =/OPK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --gatW/ieO32f1wygP-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message