From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 17 10:28:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 086FC106564A for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 10:28:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from atom@smasher.org) Received: from atom.smasher.org (atom.smasher.org [69.55.237.145]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DD6328FC13 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 10:28:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 26634 invoked by uid 1000); 17 Jan 2012 06:28:37 -0000 X-POM: The Moon is Waning Crescent (40% of Full) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 19:29:35 +1300 (NZDT) From: Atom Smasher To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4F14E0A1.4080306@rawbw.com> Message-ID: References: <4F14E0A1.4080306@rawbw.com> OpenPGP: id=0xB88D52E4D9F57808; algo=1 (RSA); size=4096; url=http://atom.smasher.org/pgp.txt MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and lifecycle X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 10:28:39 -0000 On Mon, 16 Jan 2012, Yuri wrote: > On 01/16/2012 17:03, Atom Smasher wrote: >> >> i bought myself a LENOVO T510 when it first came out, around early >> 2010. it's got an i5 CPU and Arrandale GPU. it's two years old and on >> freeBSD i STILL can't run xorg properly with it. linux has run fine >> with it since i opened the box. last i checked, freeBSD will be support >> this GPU in R9... or maybe R10...? > > The usual explanation for this is that FreeBSD is the server OS and > doesn't need to worry about desktop-only hardware. (Not that I agree > with such position.) I noticed that FreeBSD overall isn't too good for > laptops (correct me if I am wrong). Even if Arrandale GPU worked, there > is no working network manager in kde or gnome, able to find and setup > WiFi networks without user typing anything. Also FreeBSD isn't able to > enter (and come back from) the sleep mode. Also it can't stop the hard > drives when the system is idle (last time I tried I got system crash). > These make it very difficult to use FreeBSD on the laptops. Major > usability issues. ================== so i guess that means that i'm tougher than a typical laptop user... and instead of making things easier, freeBSD is getting harder. thing is, when people don't "play" with freeBSD on laptops and desktops, then they grow up, get real jobs, and don't know much about it. if this keeps up, i'll cross a line where i just get more comfortable with linux and migrate my freeBSD servers to it. this is one of the areas where linux is doing well... people are "playing" with it, but in the process they're getting used to it and comfortable with it. from that background, they can install a linux based server without breaking a sweat. linux's ease of use and hardware support are seeding the next generation of FLOSS and *nix users... and most of them have never installed/used freeBSD. -- ...atom ________________________ http://atom.smasher.org/ 762A 3B98 A3C3 96C9 C6B7 582A B88D 52E4 D9F5 7808 ------------------------------------------------- "Don't suspect your friends - turn them in!" -- Brazil