From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jul 5 5:29:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB07137B400 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 05:29:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60E6943E31 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 05:29:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0029.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.29] helo=mindspring.com) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17QSD2-0006y2-00; Fri, 05 Jul 2002 08:29:12 -0400 Message-ID: <3D2590EF.CDFBDC51@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 05:28:31 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Richards Cc: Sheldon Hearn , current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Removing perl in make world References: <1025862341.1573.40.camel@lobster.originative.co.uk> <20020705095258.GC775@starjuice.net> <1025864161.1573.45.camel@lobster.originative.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Paul Richards wrote: > > No, the idea of `make world' is to upgrade my system in the way that I > > tell it to. > > I don't think it is. That might be what you've become used to, but > that's not what make world was designed to do. It goes to great lengths > to make sure that you get a current version of the development branch > that's all built with the current bits. > > As a current developer, you need to see what -current looks like and not > what current on top of a lot of other stuff that hides bugs looks like. This may be a key point (see other posting). However, this is not even true of a clean install, with some sysinstall options, and is certainly not true of a CDROM based upgrade. It's unreasonable to expect that a "make installworld" could reset the system state sufficiently to provide this, other than for sertain "leaf node" things, like system header files that have been obsoleted. I guess the best way for you to argue for this outcome is for you to do the bsd.*.mk modifications to support your idea, and to do all the Makfile modifications to provide the targets, and to have it "off by default". Not a very satisfying approach, but the one with the highest probability that it won't be ripped out 5 minutes after you commit the code ("If thine Makefile mods offend thee, pluck them out"). -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message