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Date:      Fri, 08 Nov 2002 09:27:32 -0700 (MST)
From:      "M. Warner Losh" <imp@bsdimp.com>
To:        ataraxia@cox.net
Cc:        current@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: [PATCH] note the __sF change in src/UPDATING
Message-ID:  <20021108.092732.124899267.imp@bsdimp.com>
In-Reply-To: <200211081149.gA8BnGF5073259@arkadia.nv.cox.net>
References:  <20021108.003935.11624259.imp@bsdimp.com> <200211081149.gA8BnGF5073259@arkadia.nv.cox.net>

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In message: <200211081149.gA8BnGF5073259@arkadia.nv.cox.net>
            Ray Kohler <ataraxia@cox.net> writes:
: > From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov  8 02:45:04 2002
: > Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 00:39:35 -0700 (MST)
: > To: current@FreeBSD.ORG
: > Subject: Re: [PATCH] note the __sF change in src/UPDATING
: > From: "M. Warner Losh" <imp@bsdimp.com>
: >
: > In message: <200211072337.gA7NbK1m082069@arkadia.nv.cox.net>
: >             Ray Kohler <ataraxia@cox.net> writes:
: > : Hear hear, I agree. There's no need to expose what ought to be
: > : "private" data to the world, especially when we can get the additional
: > : benefit here of letting us play with the implementation.
: >
: > -current already does this.  The problem is that we're trying to shoot
: > the bad access in the head, and that is what is screwing people.  So
: > the problem isn't that we're trying to export private data to the
: > world.  Quite the contrary, we're trying to eliminate it and having
: > growing pains.
: 
: Exactly. That's why I'm arguing against putting __sF back (or
: adopting equally crapulent measures). Growing pains are a necessary evil.
: (I also agree that we probably ought to staticize any other things of
: this nature while we're at it and get the pain over with.)

Yes, but this is too painful.  If we were going to do this, the time
for the pain was 6-9 months ago, not just before the release.

Warner

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