From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 3 21:09:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.freebsd.org [69.147.83.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C083106566C; Sat, 3 Mar 2012 21:09:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from opti.dougb.net (hub.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::36]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4DDE14D958; Sat, 3 Mar 2012 21:09:26 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4F528886.4050606@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2012 13:09:26 -0800 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://SupersetSolutions.com/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120224 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "K. Macy" References: <20120221143537.Horde.deyFDZjmRSRPQ52pxBIpnLA@webmail.leidinger.net> <4F4BA707.5070608@wasikowski.net> <4F4C3FE7.3040802@FreeBSD.org> <4F4D51CB.2010508@FreeBSD.org> <4F4D5E5D.9040302@FreeBSD.org> <4F4DD288.5060106@FreeBSD.org> <4F4ED889.2070608@FreeBSD.org> <4F500BB9.4040307@FreeBSD.org> <4F5088CA.1090108@FreeBSD.org> <4F510FBD.50008@FreeBSD.org> <4F51BEE0.7090108@freebsd.org> <4F528517.5090702@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 OpenPGP: id=1A1ABC84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Stable , Garrett Cooper , =?UTF-8?B?eiBXxIVzaWtvd3NraQ==?= , FreeBSD Current , Arnaud Lacombe , "Bjoern A. Zeeb" , Alexander Leidinger , Julian Elischer Subject: Re: flowtable usable or not X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2012 21:09:27 -0000 On 03/03/2012 13:03, K. Macy wrote: > On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 9:54 PM, Doug Barton wrote: >> On 03/03/2012 08:53, K. Macy wrote: >>> a) We as a members of the community are collectively responsible for >>> the state of FreeBSD. Simply disabling features or removing >>> functionality that doesn't work or doesn't work optimally and / or >>> filing bug reports but not being able or willing to respond to >>> feedback requests is in essence a form of neglect. Although we all >>> have day to day obligations for which the use of FreeBSD is extremely >>> impractical if not impossible ... any progress, any improvements, any >>> advancements will only happen because *we* made it happen. >> >> Since we're reiterating key points, I'll do mine one more time. While I >> sympathize with what you wrote above, if you continue to believe that > > *users* > >> have a responsibility to help you debug new features you're going >> to be disappointed and frustrated. > > Users don't, community members do. You're drawing a distinction that I don't. > So I guess I rest my case for you > Doug. You're an end user at the end of the day who thinks he is a > member of the community. As you've made apparent on other threads. > > In your mind Other People(TM) are responsible for FreeBSD's welfare > for consuming your dogfood because you know the people who eat it. Um, wow. Clearly you are either unable or unwilling to see my point, so I wish you all the best. -- This .signature sanitized for your protection