From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Tue Jun 23 14:44:40 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04392356E52 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2020 14:44:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (br1.CN84in.dnsmgr.net [69.59.192.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49rpvp4z2fz4d32 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2020 14:44:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id 05NEia9v015842; Tue, 23 Jun 2020 07:44:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd-rwg@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id 05NEiaWV015841; Tue, 23 Jun 2020 07:44:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <202006231444.05NEiaWV015841@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: routed && route6d removal proposal In-Reply-To: <48b43bd5-4a20-c69c-77bb-1ed258bb8664@gmail.com> To: Josua Mayer Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 07:44:36 -0700 (PDT) CC: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL121h (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49rpvp4z2fz4d32 X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net has no SPF policy when checking 69.59.192.140) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.98 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.20)[0.199]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dnsmgr.net]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.51)[0.513]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.37)[0.373]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13868, ipnet:69.59.192.0/19, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 14:44:40 -0000 > \o everybody, > > this is just a little sidenote from an outsider: > Isn't below remark a good reason to remove something from base? > > Like - would the bugfix have been available quicker if it had been in a > port? Would the reporter have actually tested the fix in that case? It would of likely got even less attention as a port, and that would not of really effected the fact that Eugene moved on to another solution before the bug fix was completed, which is a common situation, people need there stuff to work, and they usually need it to work NOW, so when they hit a bug they find a solution, often without even submitting a bug report. The fact that the patch was not back ported to RELENG_4 so that Eugene could of tested it is also a factor here, and addressing those types of issues with a tool other than base removal is probably a more productive path forward. Further the fact the code has been in use for 7 major versions since then makes use of that bug as a case for removal rather a far reach, IMHO. > > Am 22.06.20 um 22:33 schrieb Eugene Grosbein: > > 23.06.2020 2:26, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > >>> I'm not talking about RIPv2 inherent deficiencies. > >>> Our routed just glitches where quagga's ripd just works. > >> > >> And your PR# for reporting the bug is? > > > > Was. https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=51927 > > Never had a chance to verify if it was really fixed in HEAD because it was not for RELENG_4, > > so I moved to ripd. As you may remeber, RELENG_5 needed much time to become ready for production. I till use a 5.x version of FreeBSD: FreeBSD pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net 5.4-RELEASE-p8 FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE-p8 #1: Mon Jul 1 17:58:50 PDT 2019 root@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/PDXMXPIE i386 7:41AM up 158 days, 8:16, 1 user, load averages: 0.03, 0.01, 0.00 It actually ended up with some very stable code. 5.4p8 is the end of line for much of my early personal work as the change to CAM broke most of that work. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org