From owner-svn-ports-all@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 7 08:02:54 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-ports-all@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7EBE0DF3; Tue, 7 Apr 2015 08:02:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from shepard.synsport.net (mail.synsport.com [208.69.230.148]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3D336D; Tue, 7 Apr 2015 08:02:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.22] (159.Red-79-148-64.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [79.148.64.159]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by shepard.synsport.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A7F543BDD; Tue, 7 Apr 2015 03:02:51 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <55238F29.1010404@marino.st> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2015 10:02:49 +0200 From: John Marino Reply-To: marino@freebsd.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexey Dokuchaev Subject: Re: svn commit: r383472 - head/audio/muse References: <201504061859.t36IxK0v000969@svn.freebsd.org> <20150407012902.GA22994@FreeBSD.org> <91AB85D3-A8DE-491C-A2D7-4E8D7E1CDC12@adamw.org> <20150407023204.GA44784@FreeBSD.org> <552376AD.7010903@marino.st> <20150407070711.GA90710@FreeBSD.org> <552386FA.7030007@marino.st> <20150407075154.GA58322@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20150407075154.GA58322@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Sunpoet Po-Chuan Hsieh , svn-ports-head@freebsd.org, svn-ports-all@freebsd.org, ports-committers@freebsd.org, Adam Weinberger X-BeenThere: svn-ports-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the ports tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2015 08:02:54 -0000 On 4/7/2015 09:51, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 09:27:54AM +0200, John Marino wrote: >> There's only 3 cases: >> 1) the maintainer is doing it himself (not your business) > > I beg to disagree. Being a maintainer does not mean one can do anything > about the port; there are certain rules, bylaws, and guidelines on how to > maintain a port properly and not make work of others harder. No rules or bylaws are being violated. The "svn blame trumps all" guideline is what I'm challenging. I think the negative outweighs the positive. > Also, mind > the fact that maintainers (in a long run) come and go, so it might not be > mine (or yours) today, but not necessarily tomorrow. Sure, but as long as the port is actively maintained under good practices and current standards, then we should defer to their judgement. (actual errors of course are always fair game) >> ports@FreeBSD.org ports are one step above deprecation. Just let >> drive-by fixers do their job on unwanted ports without giving them too >> much grief. That's my opinion. > > I generally disagree with this concept of unmaintained => one step above > deprecation and unwanted. I've given away quite a bunch of my ports, > which are certainly not unwanted and are up-to-date and in good working > condition, just because I do not want to pose a hard lock on them, and > they are hard to mess up with. That said, what's wrong with having them > "maintained by the community" (by ports@)? I like this reading of what > does "maintained by ports@" really mean better. :-) > > MAINTAINER=ports@ should not be a scarlet letter. Well, we've had this discussion before. There's no reason to release maintainership now with the more lax blankets. The fear of committing to a maintained port is mostly gone with the exception of a very few maintainers that insist even spelling error and typo fixes still need to run by them somehow. "maintained by community" means "maintained by nobody" and you only have to look at pkgsrc to see how successful this approach is. I'll continue work under the concept "ports@FreeBSD.org" ports are unloved and fair game. I don't think I'm alone. John