From owner-freebsd-current Fri Nov 22 5:27:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ABD937B401 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 05:27:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D62943E9C for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 05:27:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with SMTP id gAMDR4BF054973; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 08:27:05 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 08:27:04 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Brad Knowles Cc: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Searching for users of netncp and nwfs to help debug 5.0 problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 22 Nov 2002, Brad Knowles wrote: > > If I might suggest: there's a freebsd-qa mailing list. It's a great place > > to organize QA efforts, whereas freebsd-chat is notorious for its lack of > > signal (it's where dead signals go to rot). > > There's been some talk of freebsd-qa, but so far the only thing > I recall being said is that the sort of thing we're talking about doing > is not what this list has been used for in the past. We were kind of > wondering where we could take this particular effort, and if we could > commandeer the freebsd-qa list for this purpose. The purpose of the QA mailing list is to provide a means to coordinate the release and general QA process for FreeBSD. Thus far, the traffic on qa@ has been relatively low bandwidth, but if a bunch of people turn up wanting to perform thorough testing for the release, freebsd-qa sounds to me like the right place. Certainly, freebsd-qa would be where you want to have moderate parts of the discussion take place. > I believe that our biggest problem at the moment is finding the > necessary development types to help us debug the problems and get them > sorted out -- we've got people who have hardware, and would be more than > willing to help test things out, but in the past they haven't gotten > much help from the developers. It sounds like there are a couple of problems here -- that we need a debugging guide (How to prepare a useful bug report for a kernel panic, How to prepare a useful bug report for a sysinstall failure, etc) -- that we need a better way to find developers on a particular topic who are willing to pick up more debugging burden. I would have guessed that, in general, problems with finding a responsible party developer would lie more in the areas of the system that don't have an active maintainer (vis "owner"), which is a harder problem to address. If that's not a correct impression, then it's something that's probably easier to fix :-). Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Projects robert@fledge.watson.org Network Associates Laboratories To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message