From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 12 09:42:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 271E016A408 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:42:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matrix@itlegion.ru) Received: from corpmail.itlegion.ru (corpmail.itlegion.ru [84.21.226.211]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 563A613C467 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:42:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matrix@itlegion.ru) Received: (qmail 55692 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2007 12:42:27 +0300 Received: from unknown (HELO Artem) (192.168.0.12) by 84.21.226.211 with SMTP; 12 Feb 2007 12:42:27 +0300 X-AntiVirus: Checked by Dr.Web [version: 4.33, engine: 4.33.5.10110, virus records: 175628, updated: 12.02.2007] Message-ID: <008001c74e8a$1557afb0$0c00a8c0@Artem> From: "Artem Kuchin" To: "Peter Jeremy" , "Daniel O'Connor" References: <00ad01c74b65$79db1710$0c00a8c0@Artem><200702120940.42167.doconnor@gsoft.com.au><20070211235138.GA53649@hugo10.ka.punkt.de><200702121607.05427.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> <20070212083748.GA837@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 12:11:42 +0300 Organization: IT Legion MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is a good choice of sata-ii raid controller for freebsd? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:42:30 -0000 >On 2007-Feb-12 16:07:03 +1030, Daniel O'Connor wrote: >>I regularly ship systems overseas where the power fails frequently. The >>inability to boot because one disk got hosed is Bad News (tm). >A decent UPS can help here. No, i can't. I have seen UPS (even APC) fail in some cases. Computers got frozen. Also, i've seen many cases when power failes for more than 4 hours and nobody want to buy UPS which hold 4 hours of power for a dual xeon with 5 hdds. >>It depends on your exact situation, I was just pointing out that SW RAID >>doesn't cover all the bases HW RAID does. >If the disk is dead then the BIOS will skip it and the system should >boot normally (I've tested this by pulling a disk since I didn't have >a suitable dead disk to hand). A hard error in the 2nd stage boot >loader, ficl or the kernel is definitely the worst case - I agree that >this is very difficult for software raid to recover from. No, BIOS does not always do it. If HDD REALLY fails (chips fried or something is really messy) the BIOS often just become frozen and never boots. I have seen it too. I've seen many things, you know :)) >Note that even with hardware raid, there are still lots of failure >points. The least reliable parts of a current computer are the CPU >and PSU fans, not the disks. That is why RAID controller MUST be w/o fans and there must be MANY fans inside server case and there MUST constant temperature monitoring with SMS, EMAIL, ICQ messages on alarams. -- Artem